I can't believe the fish!

Alright i'm in a tournament and am dealt AA on the button. Lots of limpers so i raise 4 BB to 600. 1 guy calls. flop comes 685 rainbow. i move all in. he calls me with k 4 suited for 1/4 of his stack and catches runner runner flush to win. what could this guy possibly REALLY believe that i have that makes him think he was ahead.

P.S. what are the odds of him hitting this runner runner flush

Im sure he was calling for the inside straight draw.

unstoppable4 said:

Lots of limpers so i raise 4 BB

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The usually accepted standard raise size is 3x bb + ONE for every limper. So you raised too small in this case, possibly giving your opponent odds to call.

stuventus said:

Im sure he was calling for the inside straight draw.

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If this is true why did he go all in on nothing more than an inside str8 draw? Is he just that stupid?

aliengenius said:

The usually accepted standard raise size is 3x bb + ONE for every limper. So you raised too small in this case, possibly giving your opponent odds to call.

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OK but I'm talking about after the flop why did he play for all of his chips?

Well you are focusing on the wrong thing here. You can't control how other people play, no matter how stupidly it is. The only thing you can (productively) do is ask "How could I have played it better?". Start asking that question instead, and your game will improve, and these beats will start to bother you less and less (you'll have other things on your mind).

unstoppable4 said:

P.S. what are the odds of him hitting this runner runner flush

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Zach or FP can give you the mind numbing math for this.

unstoppable4 said:

OK but I'm talking about after the flop why did he play for all of his chips?

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In your OP you had said he called 1/4 of his stack against your all-in .
If that was the case then he was calling for the chance to knock you out or he was just one lucky donkey, don't get a headache over it.

Lucky bluff

He was tring to push you out of the hand and you called him on it

Sklansky has shown that you can count runner runner draws as approximately one out if seeing both cards. So, if there were "lots of limpers" let's say four, at 150bb, you raise to 600 and get one caller the pot is around 1875 with the blinds. If you moved in for any amount around that the call isn't that bad: 4 outs to the gutshot, one runner runner flush out, plus three outs to his overcard (he doesn't know you have aces, so counting these is pretty legit) = 8 outs, or just about 2:1 to win. Not such a "donkey" now is he?

Please post a real hand history next time (if you want actually discussion), or put this in the Bad Beats forum if you just want to whine.

Yeah fishs are everywhere^^.....of course he calls with the inside str8-draw but he risk a lot of chips with this move.....but next time you will win .....thats poker

aliengenius said:

Well you are focusing on the wrong thing here. You can't control how other people play, no matter how stupidly it is. The only thing you can (productively) do is ask "How could I have played it better?". Start asking that question instead, and your game will improve, and these beats will start to bother you less and less (you'll have other things on your mind).

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great advice! Beats getting high blood pressure over a beginners bad call.

Why did you go all in with just a pair. Bad play or bad call, could be both.

lol he was probably cheating lmao , just kidding , well no clue why he would call you but yeah the preflop raise was too small ,and it was a bad flop for you but he got extremely lucky there though , just hope he keeps playing that bad lol, gl

cracker said:

Why did you go all in with just a pair. Bad play or bad call, could be both.

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Anytime you get all your chips in with the best hand you are making a good play so don't tell me i made a bad play.

sorry but you should have known with donks to not go all in. big bet yes, all in no.

at least from my play ive figured that a big bet is ALOT less likely to be a bluff than an all in. people will do it for scare factor to get you off the table. do i agree with his call? no....but thats poker. there will always be donks. you just have to play the odds and not get pissed when they hit the 30% they think they had

MSUDchi said:

sorry but you should have known with donks to not go all in. big bet yes, all in no.

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wat

i meant that in a tourney, especially a low buyin tourney, just about any hand is unworthy of all in preflop to me. with all the donks that call all in the first hand you can get outted by 27 off and with as many callers as you will have you certainly more likely.

sorry, i realize i posted that in a weird way but hopefully now you understand what i meant

unstoppable4 said:

Anytime you get all your chips in with the best hand you are making a good play so don't tell me i made a bad play.

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So, if he had've turned over pocket 6s after you pushed, would you have called that a bad beat? I don't know the stack sizes here, but shoving on the flop with an overpair can be very dangerous. Especially since it sounds like you were out of position.

Players r just more aggressive

I feel there r alot of frustrated snake eye people out there. Im sure every one out there has lost hands like this. Get over it. Never use all your chips on pocket aces chances r with players today u will loose those chips.

and as doyle says in Super System...(paraphrased, of course)...most of the time, you're gonna win a small pot, or lose a big one w/ AA...

diceme said:

Never use all your chips on pocket aces chances r with players today u will loose those chips.

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maybe you should write a poker book :facepalm: