Doyle's Hand Selection

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I was watching High Stakes Poker a couple of night ago. Doyle Brunson was on this episdoe and I noticed something interesting. Doyle was playing a lot of suited connectors, most of them were lower than 8. I haven't watched Doyle play poker that much but for those who have, does he really love suited connectors or am I looking too much into this?
 
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t1riel said:
I was watching High Stakes Poker a couple of night ago. Doyle Brunson was on this episdoe and I noticed something interesting. Doyle was playing a lot of suited connectors, most of them were lower than 8. I haven't watched Doyle play poker that much but for those who have, does he really love suited connectors or am I looking too much into this?
Yep, because his thinking is, Aces, Kings etc are pretty obvious when they connect so he'll rarely win a big one, but when he connects with small suited connectors it isn't obvious, so he'll win your whole stack.
 
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Suited connectors are great - when they hit.

Thats the only problem with them if you miss the flop your stuck really so i only like them when you get them on the blinds.

76 etc i would guess would be fav connectors because they can extend a low end straight 3-4-5 or help build a higher straight 8-9-10.

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thats doyle at his finest - hes always been like that
those are the hands that bust people
his ideal situation is him with 67s and his opponent slowplaying ak, aces or kings
then if he gets a flop that favours him, something tricky like 45A with the 45 of his suit, and his opponent has ak he usually pushes
never read supersystem, t1riel?
its a great book i highly suggest it
 
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He raves about the low suited connect in ss. If played correctly, they can bust your opponent.
 
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He is always a gambler with hands like that. My other favorite thing he does is go on a bull rush. If he wins a hand he is almost guaranteed to be in the next ones until he loses. It is like a steamroller effect, you have to get him off his win steak type of thing.
 
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yeah his famous streaking
i sometimes get those

for about a hand or two
 
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ChuckTs said:
thats doyle at his finest - hes always been like that
those are the hands that bust people
his ideal situation is him with 67s and his opponent slowplaying ak, aces or kings
then if he gets a flop that favours him, something tricky like 45A with the 45 of his suit, and his opponent has ak he usually pushes
never read supersystem, t1riel?
its a great book i highly suggest it

I just got Super System for Valentine's Day. I going to read once I fnish the other poker book I'm reading now.
 
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Yet people reading or watching him, then they say well doyle does it so can't I. It just shows when low suited connectors that may hit which is very low % and EV isn't a great play but since he is a respected/great player, he can do that.
 
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suited connectors fit his style very well. as previously mentioned, they are played in an effort to bust big hands and win entire stacks, as opposed to winning small pots with aces or kings. both are equally good hands, but monster hands rarely rake monster pots.

another note on doyle's play:
doyle (and many other top players) plays a lot of "tricky" hands, and therefore most of their thinking is done on the flop. they can be loose preflop but all their decision making is done after the flop. these are the people who "outplay" others. conversely, new-to-intermediate players use preflop hand requirements to govern their play, so all their thinking is done preflop, and odds dictate their play moreso than "creativity" or trickery. both styles are equally valid, but the top players can switch between the two, so their arsenal is more robust than most other players. the reason intermediate players go broke often is because they emulate doyle et al preflop, but lack the experience postflop where they must then outplay their opponents.
 
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Keep in mind that when watching televised events, you're only seeing the "action" hands. These tourneys are actually going on for hours. It's true that Doyle will play some tricky starters at the final table because...well, because he's Doyle and he can. But it would be a mistake to think that he routinely plays a LOT of these hands over the course of a 10-hour session. Also, he has made the point before that he has had to alter his own style of play since the publication of "Super System" because he gave so much information away to his opponents. He really has to mix it up now.

I still think suited connectors are to be played sparingly, and only in very late position, preferrably when you can limp them in or call only a small raise. Dump em on the flop if nothing happens for you.
 
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Hey there Rammer nice to see you again, its been awhile hope all's well on your end and hope to see you around more. take care my friend
 
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RammerJammer said:
I still think suited connectors are to be played sparingly, and only in very late position, preferrably when you can limp them in or call only a small raise. Dump em on the flop if nothing happens for you.

Who's this guy? Seems to have been around for a while but why are his reps so low?
Nice to hear from you again 'Jammer. Join the brotherhood of the black dot. Me. Jesus Lederer, 'Dook and XD.
And oh yeah, I agree.
 
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