Originally Posted by Poker Orifice
So when someone does intentionally slowroll.... it's not a slowroll???
you lost me here, LOL
Well, in your case... yeah, kinda. I mean, if that's your definition of slowroll then I guess it would. But in my mind, while it may have been intended as a slowroll, based on some folk's interpretation (mine included) it still doesn't qualify as one even if you called it that.
It's a semantical argument, but since I lost you, let me try to explain my line of thinking: Ultimately, you intentionally stalled. Okay, we agree on that. However stalling, in and of itself, is done for a number of reasons, a few being:
- slowplaying a big hand to induce action
- taking time to thoroughly analyze the hand and previous action in order to make the best decision you can
- to needle or tilt an opponent
- to give off a false tell
- to slowroll
Arguably, only the last one is considered an egregious breach of poker etiquette. So it comes down to the definition of the term, which is different to different people. It has to meet certain criteria to distinguish itself from the other stalling tactics. First and foremost, and we can all agree on, is that you are closing the action for the entire hand (e.g. facing an AI). Next, in my interpretation, you must have the nuts -- not simply a hand you're never folding. Therefore claiming that you intentionally slowrolled without
the nuts means it couldn't actually be a slowroll to someone who defines the term as I do. It's more of a #3 or #4. Even beyond that, I consider there must be an intent
to slowroll. I've probably unintentionally slowrolled someone, because I can recall numerous times where I misread the board or didn't realize I had a flush when I thought I just had a pair, or whatever. But in my mind that's not intentional so doesn't really qualify (although the opponent won't always trust you on that, so to them it'll always be a slowroll).
So I guess the distinction is whether you belong to the camp that includes "stalling on a non-nut hand you'd never fold" as slowrolling. They would see your play as a slowroll. I do not, so IMO it's just another case of running out the clock to needle your opponent. It's annoying, but does not stoop to the level of a slowroll.
The was the point I was attempting to make.