coin flip tournament all in question

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You a relatively a small stack in the middle of a tournament. You are on the button with 2 high suited connected cards. the small blind goes all in every one else folds. you put them on a middle pair. It is up to you... do you call ? what is the guideline for when you risk it all on a coin flip?:confused:
 
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Depending...

On how good or bad your cards have been up to now. Is this the best hand youve scrapped together in a few rounds? Are you hitting much? Its really a judgement call. How many BB's have you left? can you afford to fold? Is it worth folding?calling? Lots of things to consider but really has to be how you feel at the time. Sometimes you'l fold them, some times different
 
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Personally i like to play the coin toss, especially when you are short stacked in mid game.
I think the question is more do you want to try and hang on a litlle longer or double up and get out? You will find that when short stacked they are trying to bully you. Time is valuable.....There is always another game to play where you can do better.
Good luck on your decisions. Bearcat
 
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it depends on a lot of factors, such as buyin, winning, players, how Im feeling, and how many round I have intill Im down to 20% of other stacks at the table, the size of blind ect.., and do remember even with AA with the great odds but when its a toss you have only a 50% chance of winning.Hit or miss, the other about longrun stats.I prefer to take preflop tosses and play percent at tables more than tourneys, but my mood has the biggest act in this question.
 
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how on earth do you put SB on purely a middle pair just because he shoved preflop?
 
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you really dont give enough information here. but mostly i dont like to coin flip if i dont have too,
 
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oh and also if you are wrong that the sb has a mid pocket pair then you could easily be dominated
 
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how on earth do you put SB on purely a middle pair just because he shoved preflop?
Mostly because of previous play. it is kind of common for middle pairs to shove here, because if you don't and overcards flop it is hard to continue. Also there was a big stack that was calling everything 3xbb or less (and hitting) Sometimes, you just know as well.
 
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I agree, not enough info here. What level is it? Blind structure? Exactly, where is your stack in relation to others at the table? Why did you limp in the first place?

Lefty
 
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If you are the short stack I see this as an opportune time to take a gamble. The SB may not have anything.
 
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i would agree with bearcat,
although i could do several different things depending on what type of game.
if payout is large enough i will try to stay as long as possible
i just hate the coin flips where horrible hand hits
 
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Mostly because of previous play. it is kind of common for middle pairs to shove here, because if you don't and overcards flop it is hard to continue. Also there was a big stack that was calling everything 3xbb or less (and hitting) Sometimes, you just know as well.

If you really put him on a mid or low pocket pair, I would go for it. problem is, if he's got a high pocket pair, AQ+, or a veriety of other cards depending on how "high" your suited connectors are, you could be dominated.

So it depends on the situation, and how he's been playing. I feel most of the time its not worth it, unless I've obsevered he's playing very loose or something.
 
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if you feel your about tolose anyways why not go ahead and call and try the coin flip you dont have much to lose anyways blinds will eat you up soon enough
 
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It really depends on a number of factors. How short is your stack, how bad have your previous cards been. But chances are in this situation I would probably risk it on those cards.
 
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Call

the fact that ure small stacked would lean me towards a call in this situation. You could be walking into a big hand. But with 2 high cards, I would like my chances.
 
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You should have already pushed from the button if you were confident about your cards or were not going to wait for a better hand.
 
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Im not sure how you can ONLY put the SB on middle pairs.. why wouldnt he shove with higher pairs? What about AK?

I dont feel its a coin flip for you.. its more like 60:40 against.

Def more info needed on blinds and chip stacks of other players.

IMO you dont want to be calling a shove with 2 high cards.. you want to be the one shoving so that you can gain fold equity.

Everytime you shove, people reduce your shoving requirements so if you shove 3 times with near garbage and dont get called AND then get AA preflop, people are more likely to call it with nothing and you get your double up.

Its all about luck but fold equity isa powerfull tool.

Usually when I get Short stacked in a SNG and the blinds are large, I can get it all back in around 3 shoves, before people have realised what I'm doing (I play fairly tight most of the time).
 
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