re: Poker & Zone/Zoom poker wet boards with overpair
Originally Posted by Matthew Southall
I play a lot of 6-max zoom on PokerStars.
My general advice is this: on wet boards, you want to be making large bets with overpairs and top pair hands, so you'd usually bet around 80% pot on the flop and turn. Once the river comes, you need to assess whether most draws completed or not. If most draws completed, I'll typically have a bet/fold mentality where I bet about 50% pot and fold to a raise. If most draws busted, then you need to assess whether your opponent is likely to take a stab at the pot or just give up (how aggressive or passive they are). If they are passive, then I'll generally just retain my bet/fold mentality, but if they're somewhat aggressive, then I'll often check-call the river instead, to induce a bluff. This is if you're out of position btw. If you're in position, then your decision becomes a little bit easier.
Thanks this is pretty solid advice.
Originally Posted by Dan Lucas
I agree with you Matthew. In the example, my experience says this opponent was chasing a marginal hand because he didn't care enough about losing, or didn't know enough to know he should fold. Sometimes, opponents are just oblivious.
I think this often about most players. I had KK in two instances last night where I lost to garbage hands that were happy to lose their stack on a gamble. First hand I get into a betting battle and we get to flop 3 9 4 rainbow board with my KK. I bet pot, guy shoves, I call. He has 22, he's all in and gets turn A river 5 for runner runner straight. Next KK hand I bet standard raise, get reraised so I make it 20x BB, guy insta calls, board is all hearts, I have no hearts. Guy check, I bet pot, he shoves, I have to call at this point, he has 810 hearts. My thinking is why are you calling a 20xBB raise preflop with 810s? I've seen much worse too, I think a lot of opponents don't care and/or are oblivious. I've seen players over 150BB deep get it all in on a turn and they turn over a drawing hand that has 1 out and sometimes get it on river. Obviously they don't care and we want gamblers like that, but man it baffles you when someone gets stacks in or happily calls large bets to river looking for a miracle card. Like no concept of pot odds
, value, or chances of hitting, it's just a gamble for em.