TPTK on the turn, can I fold this?

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The pot is almost 15$ by now, and it's 4.60 to call. Can i ever get away from this?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO ($10)
Button ($4.54)
Hero (SB) ($14.08)
BB ($6.75)
UTG ($10.54)
MP ($10.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
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, A
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2 folds, CO bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.60) 2
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, 10
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, J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($4.60) A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $7.75 (All-In),
 
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I think villian can be doing this with a lot of worst aces? AQ? possibly he has KQ but why is he checking the flop? maybe to get a free card?
you think with with any AJ, AT hand he is betting that flop every time. Pretty hard spot to be honest do you have any stats?
 
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You need to call $4.75 to win $20 so your call is 23.75% of what you could win ( I prefer percentage to odds)

I think after the 4bet and turn shove his only realistic hands are JJ, AA and AK (assuming he's not a complete fish ofc). TT is another possibility but as JJ and TT aren't 4bet that often at 10nl I think it's fine to only include one of them in his range. I don't have it but try running Pokerstove with the board and that range and see if you are good more than 23.75% of the time vs that range :)
 
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Flat pre or GII pre, I wouldn't call a 4bet with AK without a very strong read, and even then I would never do it OOP unless my plan was to simply never fold post. These conditions are usually never met, so just GII or flat pre.

As played, ugh, I guess you need to pay him off/pray for a Q :)

Do we have any info at all on villain?
 
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You need to call $4.75 to win $20 so your call is 23.75% of what you could win ( I prefer percentage to odds)

I think after the 4bet and turn shove his only realistic hands are JJ, AA and AK (assuming he's not a complete fish ofc). TT is another possibility but as JJ and TT aren't 4bet that often at 10nl I think it's fine to only include one of them in his range. I don't have it but try running Pokerstove with the board and that range and see if you are good more than 23.75% of the time vs that range :)

I dont think AA is ever checking back that flop though??? especially after getting called after a 4 bet??
 
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Unless he is scared of pocket JJ or pocket TT which I probably would be when i think about it.
But definitely flat pre or get it in!!
 
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From all the action, I think he could have a better hand or maybe the same hand. I think you should call and hope for a river - too much invested in.
 
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It's really a tough situation man... but if it's me i would call it to see his hand. I think he most probably have AQ or AK.
 
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I think it should be KQ.But he reraise in preflop that are suspicious.
 
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I'd put him on AA trying to setup a trap perhaps... If he has put you on AK him checking the flop would be letting you catchup so he can get more out of you on the later streets.
once the Ace comes out you've both hit your hands and well it's going to go good for AA and not so good AK..
Thats how i would see it with such a big reraise preflop...
 
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I wouldn't have given him the free card on the flop. You were the first real raiser, why not toss in even a $1.50 bet just to keep him honest? If he failed to hit or is really far off what he is hoping for, he may be willing to get out at that point. If he puts in, you have just made the odds a little bit better on the next card :)

For that matter, your $3 bet on the flop may have provoked his all in at that point, in which case you wouldn't have to consider what the A really meant to his hand, because he feels he had enough already at the flop, then you can fold and wander away without too much concern.
 
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You need to call $4.75 to win $20 so your call is 23.75% of what you could win ( I prefer percentage to odds)

I think after the 4bet and turn shove his only realistic hands are JJ, AA and AK (assuming he's not a complete fish ofc). TT is another possibility but as JJ and TT aren't 4bet that often at 10nl I think it's fine to only include one of them in his range. I don't have it but try running Pokerstove with the board and that range and see if you are good more than 23.75% of the time vs that range :)

+1. His range is pretty limited with the 4 bet, IMO. Its hard to lay this hand down considering the odds, but I think you are beat most of the time here. Best case he has QQ, KK, or AQ, but checking the flop makes no sense with the first 2 hands. PF play would be odd with AQ, but I guess its possible.

His play lines up with the range Micro stated, in which case your best shot is a split.
 
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