Set v set v set !

I don't know how I can call here but I should have...

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (poker stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $2.54 USD ) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, hands: 60
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.14 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 9, AF: 7.0, Hands: 221
Seat 3: Player3 ( $3.75 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 61
Seat 4: Player4 ( $5.13 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 228
Seat 5: Hero ( $5.16 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.6, Hands: 186309
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.77 USD ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 45
Seat 7: Player7 ( $7.55 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 432
Seat 8: Player8 ( $5.05 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21
Seat 9: Player9 ( $5.64 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 1.1, Hands: 143
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Ks ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Kc, 8s ]
Hero bets [$0.35 USD]
Player8 calls [$0.35 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.35 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero bets [$1.05 USD]
Player8 calls [$1.05 USD]
Player9 calls [$1.05 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero checks
Player8 checks
Player9 bets [$1.85 USD]
Hero folds
Player8 calls [$1.85 USD]
Player9 shows [8c, 8d ]
Player8 shows [9s, 9d ]
Player8 wins $8.07 USD from main pot

Seen that once live it was insane

You think I could of called??

I can't see them ever calling with worse to a reraise on the river... and the J hits their range big time, but so does pocket 6s even A6. I think it was just a case of position coming into play here, on a side note what do you use to replay the text form of the hand?

Folding is fine. Can't call v two opponents there

It depends how loose ur opponents are, but the 4 card straight always makes any call tough... So many hands that can beat u in the straight form, but I would say the best move there would of prolly been checking the turn letting them bet and than shove hoping they weren't calling the flop on a gutshot or with 76... Also the majority of the time u make a call on the river like that your gonna lose and if you bet the river u win the hand unless somebody tries to bluff you..

Also one more thing u could of tried in this situation since u were the initial raiser and nobody reraised... Is after u checked the river and player 8 checks, 9 bets u could of tried a reraise to make 99 think u had(if u could afford to lose more on this hand) pocket jjs because if 8 had jjs he would of bet most likely

That was a horribe board for your KK, not only were you against sets, you could of also been against a straight. I think in the long run you made a gf, it does depend on your opponents and they do seem tight with the stats showing, especially player 9 as we have other 100 hands on him. He could of had JJ there.

Something is wrong here. Are you guys seeing the same OP that I am?

Never ever a fold.

I'd probably hate myself for not raising but a river call is probably the best way to go.

kcanuck said:

Something is wrong here. Are you guys seeing the same OP that I am?

Never ever a fold.

I'd probably hate myself for not raising but a river call is probably the best way to go.

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I must admit I would possibly call the river bet. It is just a sick board repping a straight. Not worried about the set vs the set as we are ahead here. I would call here crossing my fingers that I am not against JJ. I have lost a few sets of kings on a straight board, I suppose it isn't the result that matters but if you played the hand correctly and you will only know if you plaued correctly.

I'd be more afraid of JQ than JJ but I have a tendancy to ignore specific combos that have me beat. There are way more hands than those that will call the flop and turn bets that the river doesn't help.

kcanuck said:

I'd be more afraid of JQ than JJ but I have a tendancy to ignore specific combos that have me beat. There are way more hands than those that will call the flop and turn bets that the river doesn't help.

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Yep that's true.

well this is 5nl don't forget, they I didn't necessarily put them on JJ, I put them on, AJ, KJ, QJ, 10J, 9J, 8J, 66, A6 as well.

I'm not a cash game player but I'm disregarding all 6 hands, except maybe 66 after the flop. TJ is a hand I should have considered but there are still a lot more combos that you have beat.

Btw I hate folding on the river obv.

Trust me I hated folding, i think position is everything here, he knows i dont have the straight or id of bet, so would the other guy, so hes gonna think a set is best here, i would... i probably still would of checked behind in case someone planned on check raising with the nuts

funny hand, also very unlikely,

hero could fold, or call or ...

66? A6? no way after flop both hands were folded,

mr. van hoof finished third in the wsop main event, remaining 2 tables he paid late position with T6 against one villain holding AA, the flop went 987 and van hoof doubled his stack,

so T6, 96, 86, or even 76 could be hands that could survive the flop K98 and after the turn K987, although those hands are very unlikely, once they hit the low straight all of them would check!

what about QJ or JJ? no chance they make it through the river, not with a king on board and 3 players paying flop and turn,

JT? the fearest hand here with a straight draw from the flop, but once he hit the straight is allin, isn´t it?

second villain paid, holding what? a 6? I only pay if i have a 6 but if i have a jack i go allin,

first villain instead, decided to bet small after all checks the river, again if i finally completed my straight i need to put my villains pay much because otherwise long term my implied odds are reduced to a small amount and paying with a draw will become negative

but again why is the bet for if you already hold a set? the bet looks like a bluff, and actually it´s so terrible bad (with this hand you have enough to win if nobody has the straight so you better keep your money save)

but what would happen if somebody fires the river and goes allin? check and fire

P.S. this hand made me think for a while, a lot of things involved therefore very tough call, probably i would fold too because i would be so focused on my top set and not how the hand was developed

By the time the river card was revealed the board was very wet. Someone could have easily had a straight draw. The pot does seem small though so I may have called.