This is a discussion on Pokertracker database - losing with pairs and vs pf raises within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; I've noticed some interesting stats in my database and wonder how they compare to other people, potentially some leaks here I can look at.
Pokertracker database - losing with pairs and vs pf raises
I've noticed some interesting stats in my database and wonder how they compare to other people, potentially some leaks here I can look at.
Database is 66,782 hands at 2NL, mostly zoom. I've adjusted my game a lot over the past year, so I am sure I am not playing exactly the same now as I was in the earlier hands.
Regardless, it does seem to illustrate two potential issues:
1. Under Statistics tab, filtering by 'Facing Preflop Action', I can see that although I have won $139 by entering unopened pots, I have LOST $100 facing 1 raiser. I could literally have folded instead of getting involved vs a raiser every single time and be $100 better off. Crazy!
2. Under Results tab, filtering by 'Final Hands at Showdown', I can see I am getting absolutely thrashed at showdown with one pair hands, and also doing pretty badly with 'high card'. To an extent I'd expect this, but could it be suggesting I need to showdown less with these hands?
Three images attacked:
a) My graph over the 66k hands.
b) The Facing Preflop Action report with the graph focused on 'vs 1 raiser'.
c) Final hands at Showdown with the graph focused on 'one pair'.
Anyone have some experience analysing these sorts of stats have any thoughts on how useful these observations are?
Just ran these out of curiosity. Pretty much the same story for me. The first report I'm not that concerned about. There are just too many variables to playing a pot facing one raise. Who was in position? Did we flat vs 3 bet, was it squeezed behind? Did someone jam? How multi way was it on average. Definitely an interesting question but I think we need to dig deeper to make any sense of it.
The last report is more interesting to me. I'm wondering if it means we should be going to showdown a lot less often with one pair or less. Polarizing more, bluff catching less, etc. I'll have to pay more attention to my showdown stats and make sure I'm not overcalling where I should be raising or folding. I would imagine that racing big pocket pairs with AK pre flop could have a very dramatic effect on these stats though so there may be some filtering that needs to be done here as well to get anything meaningful out if it. All of the times your AK misses when you get it in pre will be caught in this one category (High Card) for instance. That's probably enough to drag it into the abyss. The one pair category may reveal some leaks but I'd need to find the right filters to make it make more sense.
Very interesting discovery delving deeper into this. Filtering out all hands folded pre flop the result is very different!! Do that and facing preflop action shows profit everywhere. Reverse it and filter only for hands folded pre and it shows massive loss... like $500 or something crazy.