Originally Posted by 6bet me
I'm starting to get this feeling... there doesn't seem to be too many strong cash game players on CC. Like there just aren't enough 50NL+ players around that have a good understanding of GTO and can answer these kind of questions. There are a few helpful players around (like you, Minh, John, Tim, marginal and a few others) that give good advice for micro stakes players, but the information gets very limited for higher stakes like 50NL+ on Stars.
I'm tempted to make an account on 2p2. I just feel that as I get better at the game and start to ask more advanced poker strategy questions, there are fewer and fewer players on CC that can help me. If my goal is to reach 100NL by the end of next year, then I feel that I need to be surrounded by strong players with a solid understanding of the game. I'm not going to improve significantly if the players I'm seeking advice from are only slightly better than me.
I'm not saying that I'm going to quit CC permanently. I'll still spend a lot of time on CC, especially if the people on 2p2 are arrogant and unhelpful (as I have heard from some CC players). But I will at least give 2p2 a shot and see what the quality of information is like there.
Kind of agree. There are very few players here who play low-stakes online. I learned a ton about ranges/hand reading from reading 2+2 low-stakes. But even then, some of the posts are bad too. The posters are sometimes annoyingly arrogant and sarcastic too, and a lot of times they are just like "meh, call." There isn't much discussion at medium-stakes and especially high-stakes, so I think you're on your own if you get there.
GTO probably not as important as you think until medium/high-stakes, and even the 2+2 community isn't going to be that well-versed in it below those stakes. But you will learn a lot on 2+2. What's much more important is applying ranges well, bluff-catching, and value betting well. If you do all these really well, you could definitely beat medium-stakes. GTO is probably only really beneficial for high stakes; a basic understanding/application of it should be more than fine for low-stakes against regs. Just understanding it alone and being able to apply it at times will help your game/winrate overall, and help you think on a deeper level in-game.
Obviously, we want to play exploitable against fish, e.g. value betting hard against calling stations. GTO is not as profitable as exploitative play against certain player types. An extreme example, but no "I need to strengthen my checking-calling range against this 80/0 fish who calls with any piece of the board or I will be extremely exploitable." Tbh, the whole "I will be exploitable" excuse is overused. Why would you ever bluff-catch in a spot where 95% of the population is never bluffing? They'll say something ridiculous like, "but if you fold here near the top of your range, villain can jam with ATC and show a profit."
Pros are on a totally different level. We probably can't answer why they do it, but unless you have a really good reason to do so, don't do it.
Btw, how did you change your CC name?