Originally Posted by thebigslade
So essentially you flat the 3b and donk the flop, fold to a reraise if you miss? I don't see this as profitable, sorry. No reason villain wouldn't raise the flop with two overs, draws etc; and if you're called are you C-betting the turn as well?
Don't see the logic in flatting the 3b to do this, better off 4b/folding.
My point is:
1. His AK is most likely in trouble unless the villain is known for 3betting less than premium hands
2. He's unlikely to get villain to fold since he is probably holding a big hand/pair
3. He can get his money in with AK, but he better be prepared to see QQ+
And yes, if you miss and your cbet is called, you cbet the turn. But the villain is either raising/shoving your cbet or folding. If he does just call, he's either slowplaying a set or better or he missed (AK also?). I rarely see a standard player play this any other way, and until he proves he's not a standard player, I proceed like he is.
I don't think 4bet folding is profitable. If you run that repeatedly against unknowns, you'll be up against AK or better most of the time and villain is shoving, so you'll be folding most of the time. I don't think I've EVER seen a non-maniac or non-aggro 3bet and fold to a 4bet.