K
kmart99
Enthusiast
Silver Level
One of the most crucial elements of a HUD besides vpip and pfr is the 3B stat(s), but in Zoom I'm most often dealing with unknowns.
I'm a winning 10NL player at ring, but I'm a losing player at 10NLz and a losing player at 25NL+.
One of my biggest struggles at 10NLz is 3bet pots.
I generally categorize players' 3bet strategies in to 4 categories.
1) Really tight, these players fold +75-90% to 3B but not often to a flop Cbet if they call pre. Vs them I 3bet very wide but cbet very tight. These same players generally have a very low 3b% themselves so I also don't call their 3bets with worse than AK, or even JJ sometimes.
2) Serial 3bettors Cbettors. This was insanely profitable 5 years ago and these guys still exist. Vs them I'm calling my high suited connectors, suited Broadways, and KQo+ and calling down post flop fairly wide as well. Any top pair is often good enough .
3) loose - it's like they've realized that ppl are 3betting wider so they're calling preflop wider and then just calling down a little too often.
4). Solid regs - these players 3bet a polarized range preflop, then just play me straight forward post flop if I call.
It'ss like a 4 way game of rock paper scissors. ie
Being a #2 vs a #1 is optimal and being a #3 vs a #2 is optimal. Being a #1 vs. #3 is optimal. Being a #4 is ok against all of them and being a #4 vs. #4 is a tie.
In Zoom though.... These 3bet pots are a nightmare for me. There are a few regs that I'm familiar with but thousands of others with whom I'm unfamiliar so I'm generally lost post flop when deciding which strategy to take. Going with just solid play seems ok but why would I even bother with zoom since my winrate will always be lower?
I've heard ppl say to try and generalize everyone else in to one category. So how is the overall pool of players playing? Which works for 2nlz and 5nlz but at 10NLz there seems to often be such a mix of regs and fish that I'm really not sure.
Example:
Hero opens to 2.5x in the CO w 10s9s
SB 3bets to 9.5x
Hero?
In a ring game the choice is often easy. Vs a #1 fold. Vs a #2 call etc..
If I make this call vs a #1 it is a massive mistake. If I make this fold vs a #2 it is a big mistake as well. So Wtf do I do?
I'm a winning 10NL player at ring, but I'm a losing player at 10NLz and a losing player at 25NL+.
One of my biggest struggles at 10NLz is 3bet pots.
I generally categorize players' 3bet strategies in to 4 categories.
1) Really tight, these players fold +75-90% to 3B but not often to a flop Cbet if they call pre. Vs them I 3bet very wide but cbet very tight. These same players generally have a very low 3b% themselves so I also don't call their 3bets with worse than AK, or even JJ sometimes.
2) Serial 3bettors Cbettors. This was insanely profitable 5 years ago and these guys still exist. Vs them I'm calling my high suited connectors, suited Broadways, and KQo+ and calling down post flop fairly wide as well. Any top pair is often good enough .
3) loose - it's like they've realized that ppl are 3betting wider so they're calling preflop wider and then just calling down a little too often.
4). Solid regs - these players 3bet a polarized range preflop, then just play me straight forward post flop if I call.
It'ss like a 4 way game of rock paper scissors. ie
Being a #2 vs a #1 is optimal and being a #3 vs a #2 is optimal. Being a #1 vs. #3 is optimal. Being a #4 is ok against all of them and being a #4 vs. #4 is a tie.
In Zoom though.... These 3bet pots are a nightmare for me. There are a few regs that I'm familiar with but thousands of others with whom I'm unfamiliar so I'm generally lost post flop when deciding which strategy to take. Going with just solid play seems ok but why would I even bother with zoom since my winrate will always be lower?
I've heard ppl say to try and generalize everyone else in to one category. So how is the overall pool of players playing? Which works for 2nlz and 5nlz but at 10NLz there seems to often be such a mix of regs and fish that I'm really not sure.
Example:
Hero opens to 2.5x in the CO w 10s9s
SB 3bets to 9.5x
Hero?
In a ring game the choice is often easy. Vs a #1 fold. Vs a #2 call etc..
If I make this call vs a #1 it is a massive mistake. If I make this fold vs a #2 it is a big mistake as well. So Wtf do I do?