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#1 May 7th, 2020, 12:40 AM

This is my favorite Sub Forum. Have learned a great deal here.
I'll give you the simplified version of my hand below (it wont take long to describe). My question is "was I too passive?"

Im in the BB (about 30bb deep). Im dealt Ace/Jack unsuited. Guy to my left (UTG and sitting with 100bb) raises 20x the BB. Obviously it catches my attention. A call would represent about 2/3 of my stack.

Every else folds around and its back to me, After some thought I fold.

What do you think? Too passive there? BTW, I had no read on this guy at all.

#2 May 7th, 2020, 5:30 AM

Its read dependent. The default is fold, but if the guy has been doing this a lot, AJo might be good enough to get it in preflop for 30BB. I dont recommend playing cash games with such a short stack by the way.

#3 May 7th, 2020, 6:58 AM

VERY easy fold. You want to be asking yourself, what hands would he be raising 20x preflop with that your own hand beats. Unless it's a misclick (and there's really NO way to tell if it is or not), you're really beating no hands here if this person is actually TRYING to win, and not on some serious tilt and is just punting.

But again, is it worth it?

Live to play another hand.

#4 May 7th, 2020, 1:50 PM

When I don't have a read on a player who hammers the pot from early position I usually assume he is holding middle pair. I think he would look to get a caller if he was holding a big pair and would thus keep his raise is a 'normal' range. With mid-pair he is just trying to take the pot down pre-flop. I don't think his strategy is the best line but it works for him. You made the right play cause you would have ended up betting your entire stack on a flip.

#5 May 7th, 2020, 4:25 PM

Originally Posted by stil370

This is my favorite Sub Forum. Have learned a great deal here.
I'll give you the simplified version of my hand below (it wont take long to describe). My question is "was I too passive?"

Im in the BB (about 30bb deep). Im dealt Ace/Jack unsuited. Guy to my left (UTG and sitting with 100bb) raises 20x the BB. Obviously it catches my attention. A call would represent about 2/3 of my stack.

Every else folds around and its back to me, After some thought I fold.

What do you think? Too passive there? BTW, I had no read on this guy at all.

I'm folding here, its not very likely he's doing this with AT or KJ

As my coach Alex says 'do they do this with any hands that you beat? no? then it's a fold'

Nice simplification from him that works really well in practice!

#6 May 7th, 2020, 6:07 PM

Thanks for a reply Evan. I too will remember what Alex has told you. Its like a lineage of coaching, doesnt get better than that!

#7 May 7th, 2020, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Its read dependent. The default is fold, but if the guy has been doing this a lot, AJo might be good enough to get it in preflop for 30BB. I dont recommend playing cash games with such a short stack by the way.

Always like your feedback fundiver. and it doesnt hurt that I respect your opinions (:
Cheers mate!

#8 May 7th, 2020, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by gryphon3005

When I don't have a read on a player who hammers the pot from early position I usually assume he is holding middle pair. I think he would look to get a caller if he was holding a big pair and would thus keep his raise is a 'normal' range. With mid-pair he is just trying to take the pot down pre-flop. I don't think his strategy is the best line but it works for him. You made the right play cause you would have ended up betting your entire stack on a flip.

Nice gryphon! I understand what you are saying because I too try my best to protect middle pairs with an exaggerated raise (not 20bb though) at times. And that thought does cross my mind when I am facing one, but ultimately it was a flip. .

#9 May 7th, 2020, 6:22 PM

with AJo, this is a minus call against a player with a 30 BB UTG. so you did the right thing to reset it.

#10 May 11th, 2020, 11:17 PM

With no reads it is best to fold, otherwice I have stumbled on both types several times, the ones who raise huge or openshove KK AA AK sometimes QQ or even JJ. And also the tilted players who shove anything. But reads are key to making a profitable call w AJ here.

#11 May 12th, 2020, 3:22 PM

Originally Posted by DavidSWE

With no reads it is best to fold, otherwice I have stumbled on both types several times, the ones who raise huge or openshove KK AA AK sometimes QQ or even JJ. And also the tilted players who shove anything. But reads are key to making a profitable call w AJ here.

Thanks David. it really does help to get confirmation of the action I took.

#12 May 12th, 2020, 4:11 PM

I cannot give my concrete opinion because I never played that 6max cash. But because there are only 6 players, the possibilities increase in the demand for cards.

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