*** January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat ***

[feitr]

also, fwiw going minorly ape shit with pocket 2's in a DON prob aint too great. By ape shit i mean raising and cbetting the flop as wild as it seems

Yea i'd think you should play completely nitty until the blinds get up, and only raise like TT+ AQ+ (at the low stakes) and just try to limp with pps/scs on the first level, and maybe second level (15/30) if there are several ppl in the pot. Then just base the rest of your play on ICM once the blinds get up.

You probably should be open folding 22 there i'd guess. I'd think if you studied up on ICM properly it would be incredibly easy to mass multitable and destroy the games at <$50 because most players will be playing very suboptimally at these levels.

Course i tried these once when i was really bored and didn't even go 50% over like a 15 game sample so yea...i really don't see sngs being very profitable unless you can effectively 20+ table turbo games (or play really high stakes obv).

 

[Chris_TC]

BB showed T

J

(high card King) and lost (-$68.80 net)
UTG showed T

J

(high card King) and lost (-$68.80 net)
Hero showed 2

A

(high card Ace) and won $210.40 ($141.60 net)

Ai laaaaaike.

 

[zachvac]

Yea i'd think you should play completely nitty until the blinds get up, and only raise like TT+ AQ+ (at the low stakes) and just try to limp with pps/scs on the first level, and maybe second level (15/30) if there are several ppl in the pot. Then just base the rest of your play on ICM once the blinds get up.

You probably should be open folding 22 there i'd guess. I'd think if you studied up on ICM properly it would be incredibly easy to mass multitable and destroy the games at <$50 because most players will be playing very suboptimally at these levels.

Course i tried these once when i was really bored and didn't even go 50% over like a 15 game sample so yea...i really don't see sngs being very profitable unless you can effectively 20+ table turbo games (or play really high stakes obv).

I played a few $20's (or w/e is nearest $20, forget exact dollar amount) and seemed basically everyone played so nitty that the way to win pretty consistently was to just run everyone over and build a decent chip lead and just nit it up on the bubble, stealing from short stacks and such. Again, small sample size with me too, wouldn't really want to torture myself that bad long-term .

 

[vanquish]

anyone ever play hyper turbo tournaments?
you start with 750 chips, blinds 25/50 +10, then they move up to 50/100, etc within 3 mins

 

[bob_tiger]

anyone ever play hyper turbo tournaments?
you start with 750 chips, blinds 25/50 +10, then they move up to 50/100, etc within 3 mins

umm no..what site are these on? I wouldn't spend more than 10$ on these

 

[BelgoSuisse]

anyone ever play hyper turbo tournaments?
you start with 750 chips, blinds 25/50 +10, then they move up to 50/100, etc within 3 mins

sounds similar to super turbos on FTP. 300 chips, blinds 15/30 and increasing every 3 mins.

If you know your ICM push/fold ranges well, it's easy, but the variance is a total bitch. Moshman (stox coach and book author) says in his blog he's playing the FTP version.

 

[The Shrog]

Is it possible that these can even be profitable?

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Is it possible that these can even be profitable?

of course. Very.

the main edge SNG grinders have is not in the low blinds zone, it's in their understanding of proper ICM pushing, folding and AI calling ranges with Ms 10 and below. So their edge is not that much lower at those games than in regular turbos. Plus the rake is lower and they go faster.

And of course it's a big attraction for stupid gamblers who know little about poker, which makes it even more +EV.

The only problem is that variance is huge.

 

[vanquish]

Is it possible that these can even be profitable?

they usually have really really small tourney fees and they can obv be profitable given that there will be fish at every level who will limp/fold preflop and make awful pf mistakes

 

[vanquish]

0/14 in DONs now, with highlights such as AQ<K4, AJ<AA, AJ<A2 on JJx, and 52o<77, all around 5 BBs deep

 

[blankoblanco]

8

Q

7

For me personally, I prefer to float on drawy type boards. If I float on a dry flop like that, I rarely pull the trigger unless villain shows some sign of giving up tbh.

it doesn't seem to work out well for me when i float drawy boards because they can always put me on the main draw that misses. and if all the draws miss, which they usually will on the turn, it's even harder for them to believe i have anything. when you flatcall a drawy board they basically know you're not super strong at that moment because you're raising your sets and two pair and stuff, so that's the problem i guess i have had with that.

on a dry board you rep a stronger more narrow range, but if you're just picking your spots and floating pretty selectively (like maybe at full ring, where i think floating should automatically be done less than at 6max), you can rep it pretty convincingly

 

[BelgoSuisse]

when you flatcall a drawy board they basically know you're not super strong because you're raising your sets and two pair and stuff, so that's the problem i seem to have had with that.

i think your villains are smarter than mine, then.

 

[switch0723]

i love it when you get it all in 4 times in a match as a coinflip or better, lose them all, then get it in bad in rage and win

 

[The Shrog]

There's something so perfect about this...

Stacks:
DreamSS with $9.75
BTN with $12.40
SB with $10.80
BB with $2.00
UTG with $6.70
UTG+1 with $19.55
MP1 with $10.15
MP2 with $1.70
MP3 with $11.45
Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to MP1:A♥ A♦
Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
UTG raises $0.50 to $0.60
1 players fold.
Hero raises $1.40 to $2
6 players fold.
UTG calls [$1.40]
Total folds this street: 7
Potsize: $4.15
Flop: Q♠ A♣ Q♥
UTG bets [$2.50]

 

[Chris_TC]

0/14 in DONs now

Wait, wat? You've basically lost 14 coinflips (and that's assuming no edge)?! WTF?

P.S.: odds of losing 14 coinflips = 0.006%

 

[Chris_TC]

There's something so perfect about this...

Flop: Q♠ A♣ Q♥
UTG bets [$2.50]

QQ imo

 

[The Shrog]

What if he actually showed up with QQ..

 

[BelgoSuisse]

What if he actually showed up with QQ..

you still have 1 out...

 

[The Shrog]

lmao.

DavekeC: djeezes christ u don't dare to bet 10 cents but with one pair of aces u go 3 euro ?

Apparently I'm too nitty and this guy's mad for taking him to value-town.

 

[eNTy]

I like frogs. They're sticky.

 

[The Shrog]

you still have 1 out...

This game is fun!

 

[Irexes]

Villain a 14/12 reg I've 1100 hands on. I felt he was 4 betting me light a bit. I was right

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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $153.70 (153.7 bb)
BTN: $128.95 (129 bb)
SB: $89 (89 bb)
Hero (BB): $101.50 (101.5 bb)
UTG+1: $22.75 (22.8 bb)
MP1: $182.80 (182.8 bb)
MP2: $103 (103 bb)
MP3: $147.75 (147.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9

J

5 folds, BTN raises to $4, SB folds, Hero raises to $12, BTN raises to $28, Hero calls $16

Flop: ($56.50) 3

9

J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $44, Hero raises to $73.50 and is all-in, BTN calls $29.50

Turn: ($203.50) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($203.50) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $203.50 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 9

J

(two pairs, Jacks and Nines) and won $200.50 ($99 net)
BTN mucked 8

J

(a pair of Jacks) and lost (-$101.50 net)

 

[Irexes]

Hit every draw, got every bluff through.

Wonderful session

 

[blankoblanco]

Villain a 14/12 reg I've 1100 hands on. I felt he was 4 betting me light a bit. I was right

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $153.70 (153.7 bb)
BTN: $128.95 (129 bb)
SB: $89 (89 bb)
Hero (BB): $101.50 (101.5 bb)
UTG+1: $22.75 (22.8 bb)
MP1: $182.80 (182.8 bb)
MP2: $103 (103 bb)
MP3: $147.75 (147.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9

J

5 folds, BTN raises to $4, SB folds, Hero raises to $12, BTN raises to $28, Hero calls $16

Flop: ($56.50) 3

9

J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $44, Hero raises to $73.50 and is all-in, BTN calls $29.50

Turn: ($203.50) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($203.50) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $203.50 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 9

J

(two pairs, Jacks and Nines) and won $200.50 ($99 net)
BTN mucked 8

J

(a pair of Jacks) and lost (-$101.50 net)

were you planning on a stop 'n go on a lot of flops or what? because i mean even if he is 4betting light a ton, calling OOP when he can make a c-bet where you have no FE to push on him, it's going to be hard to make it profitable since you usually miss

 

[Irexes]

Did you not read the HH? I decided to hit two-pair on the flop and stack him. Plan executed imo.



(totally depended on the flop, but depending on texture I'm making him make a decision for his chippies or a good chunk of them. Actually thinking about it, this played a lot like a tourney blind battle in my head, which is probably why I was more comfortable with it.)