Jungleman: Dwan’s Paid $700K for Unfinished ‘Durrrr Challenge,’ Stars Has Bot Problem

August 10th, 2017 by Jon Sofen

Daniel ‘Jungleman’ Cates went on Doug Polk’s YouTube podcast and dropped a bombshell about PokerStars, claiming bots permeate the poker site. He also attempted to put some speculation to rest about whatever happened with money Tom Dwan owes him from the still incomplete Durrrr Challenge.

Dan "Jungleman" Cates speaks

Daniel ‘Jungleman’ Cates says he still wants to finish the Durrrr Challenge, which is almost halfway done seven years after it started. (Image: Upswing Poker)

Cates said that Dwan hasn’t completely dodged him, ponying up around $700,000 in what he calls “penalties.”

In an interview that lasted nearly two hours and ran on YouTube, Cates attempted to clear up some confusion about what’s been going on with the online poker challenge between the two internet legends that began in 2010 and has yet to conclude.

Cates still isn’t certain a full resolution will occur any time soon.

In 2009, Dwan was arguably the top online player in the world. He challenged anyone, excluding his friend Phil Galfond, to play him heads-up for 50,000 hands, at $200/$400 blinds, in either no-limit hold’em or pot-limit Omaha.

His first opponent, Patrik Antonius, lasted approximately 39,000 hands before tapping out with Durrrr up more than $2 million.

Cates, a multimillion-dollar online poker winner himself and a supposed heads-up specialist, hopped into the Durrrr Challenge mix in August 2010. The two agreed to 50,000 hands at the $200/$400 level, but with both players putting up a side bet of Dwan’s $1.5 million against Cates’ $500,000 to be paid to the overall winner.

Never-Ending Challenge

Seven years later, the challenge isn’t yet complete.

So far, the two have played just 19,335 hands, despite Cates’ claims that he’s made attempts to keep his opponent’s eponymous challenge going. It’s unclear why Durrrr hasn’t been willing to continue, but many speculate it may have something to do with his being down $1.25 million so far in the match.

In years past, Cates has publicly called out Dwan for refusing to finish the challenge or buy out of the bet altogether. Clearing that air, he said, is part of why he came on Polk’s podcast.

“He’s been paying me penalties every two months lately,” Cates said. “He wants me to point out he’s given me something like $700,000 or $800,000 basically in penalties since 2010.”

Cates didn’t specify exactly how much Dwan would owe him should the challenge never resume, but he did say “he may owe more,” and that he prefers to continue playing instead of settling on a buyout.

Cates said Dwan has been “communicative” recently and wants to find a resolution. Jungleman also admitted his own wrongdoing in taking the matter public and suggesting that Dwan had been avoiding him.

The Durrrr challenge began seven years ago. A frustrated but understanding Cates said he expects a resolution “by the end of 2018.” Polk disagreed, predicting it would take much longer for the match to reach a conclusion.

Belief in Bots

Rumors of programmed bots playing in place of real humans on poker sites began years ago. But, save for a few instances, no one has ever proven their presence to be a significant problem. Jungleman is not such a believer.

Cates claims “multiple people” have told him that “definitely people are bypassing Stars security and using bots” on the site. He didn’t cite sources, and admitted he is only receiving such information secondhand, but he appeared confident in the assertions he made on Polk’s podcast.

He said he believes bots are most prominent in sit-and-go tournaments on PokerStars. If true, that’s certainly a bad look for the world’s most popular online poker site.

11 Responses to “Jungleman: Dwan’s Paid $700K for Unfinished ‘Durrrr Challenge,’ Stars Has Bot Problem”

  1. Jere Rivard says:

    KNEW IT! BOTs everywhere…………..

  2. oriole says:

    The bot problem is only going to get worse.

  3. EvertonGirl says:

    I highly doubt it!!

  4. MasterOfDisaster says:

    I watched it full and I am convinced they have them, Cates defenitely know what he is talking about, now I have never been pro stars. So can sound biased , but just look at what direction they go, even without jungle’s proof , I wouldnt be suprised PS full of bots (maybe even housebots)

    We prolly wont find the good ones at our stakes, but I am sure there are still some around there.

  5. MasterOfDisaster says:

    The ones at our stakes prolly programmed to lose also but in a way that money goes around more frequently , thus creating mor erake ps

  6. DirtyDingle says:

    definitely agree about bots. you see “people” making ridiculous all in calls and flopping the nuts with something like 8-4 offsuit against KK or somethig

  7. Sil3ntness says:

    Live poker is where its at. Don’t have to worry about playing against bots.

  8. duchebag69 says:

    Bots are a thing 100% but stars is the hardest out of all the sites to get past its security. Ipoker is riddled with bots down to 25c,50c cash…..

  9. Haemophile says:

    not sure really about the bots but i have noticed a lot of players lately just open shoving AK win or lose they don’t seem to care that it’s not a made hand

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