Why bother with ranges online.

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Why bother is the real question. I'm tired of being right so often and making that spot on call/raise just to river out. Its hard enough with the table hopping and extreme donking. Ive come to the conclusion that low stake/free rolls are truly all luck.

I guess this falls under suck outs. Guess I'm venting. But putting people on a range seems more useful in live play. Cant say I'm not trying.
 
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Putting people on ranges let’s you play the flop better. It sucks when they river you, but having their range will help you know more often when they did river you.

The ones that just keep calling no matter how big you bet and then hits a a third diamond on the river and shoves tells you he most likely has a flush.

Just be cautious with these players. There’s more skill than luck in This game. I can see that. but yes you need to have some luck and hit your flops or shoves.
 
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I find that I play much better when I use ranges online and its a skill you should continue to develop for when you climb out of micro stakes. Still, I understand your frustration. Micro/freeroll players love to chase those back door draws all the way down to the river and continue with weak hands even if they're obviously behind. Very tilting that they get rewarded for playing bingo while you get punished for making good decisions.
 
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If you are correct in what ranges you are putting them on, you should be rewarded in the long run. The odds are still against them hitting the flush or the straight so as long as you are making them pay to draw you should be coming out ahead.

One thing that has helped me is to try less bluffs in the smaller stakes as people will call if they have any piece of the board. On the other hand, those people will also give great value when you have TPTK and two pair.
 
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Maybe you put them on the correct ranges, but you fail to adjust your play during the flop, turn and river?

Poker isn't just "ranges". it's also bet-sizing, pot control, bluffs, value shoves, etc.
 
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Why bother is the real question. I'm tired of being right so often and making that spot on call/raise just to river out. Its hard enough with the table hopping and extreme donking. Ive come to the conclusion that low stake/free rolls are truly all luck.

I guess this falls under suck outs. Guess I'm venting. But putting people on a range seems more useful in live play. Cant say I'm not trying.


kinda :p


sure it sucks to lose with KK vs QQ for your tournamentlife, but chances are high that you will win the next four times KK vs QQ.
AND there are also those spots where you win with QQ vs KK


In the Long run beeing Right and making +EV decisions is more important than the Outcome.
Putting your opponents on ranges is a way to improve your game, so don't stop it because you got sucked out.


microstakes and freeroll are not all About luck, but the variance is higher because People do crazy Things. they just don't care About a freeroll or a 1$ buy-in.
 
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Why bother is the real question. I'm tired of being right so often and making that spot on call/raise just to river out. Its hard enough with the table hopping and extreme donking. Ive come to the conclusion that low stake/free rolls are truly all luck.

I guess this falls under suck outs. Guess I'm venting. But putting people on a range seems more useful in live play. Cant say I'm not trying.

Attempting to range players when I'm not in the hand has been very helpful in recent sessions. The information is useful for mid-late stage.
Results are a little mixed early in the event, about 50/50 at the micro stakes because players are 'wide' and 'loose'.

It becomes more important after late registration has closed.
Its useful to pay attention to bigger stacks, see what they are opening with in EP with their stack sizes.

But I still find the most useful information is betting tendencies at the micro stakes, after the maniac donks have been eliminated.

Their are a TON of less than good players who will shove ANY Ace pre. Those players seem to stick around for a while during an event. It's enjoyable busting those players late in events.
 
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Ranges are more important in my opinion online because you have no live info so you gotta take what you can get.
 
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What happens is that the most common range in online games (microlimits) is: everything. I've seen people open the boat with Q2o. It is a common beginner's mistake to believe that any two high cards are a good hand, but one? The good thing is that it is like fishing in an aquarium.
 
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I totally get your frustration. At the lower stakes you have have your opponents range nailed down, make the perfect play and get sucked out. The trouble (and the beauty) of poker is that even the worst players are often only a card away from having the best hand. The odds are occasionally they will hit it and you're out of the tournament, but if you continue to make those correct plays eventually you'll make your big score and be able to move up a level or two, leaving those complete donkeys behind. The suck out will continue to follow, however...
 
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You don't have to sink to their level just because some people play like idiots. That kind of just creates more idiots. Wait: that's good for me :)

Use the advantages you have - hand reading/putting people on ranges is one important one.

But the lower stake/buy-in you play the more random things you see. So in some cases it really is any two cards that is the read. Nothing wrong with that in the long run that means money to you if you play better hands than average and is somewhat competent post flop .
 
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If you are in a financial spot to play different events - you may consider it.

Freezeout events are more like 'real' poker than freerolls and micro/rebuy events.

Ranging plays a greater roll when playing in events where players risk tourney life by playing wider ranges in ANY position.

Re: Ranging in online freerolls.
Its best to play face up. Play your hand ABC, in position as often as possible. I've found moderate success with this basic strategy.
The best way to play vs a very loose player or maniac is to wait for the hand that can take all his chips. Don't play the same game as they do, just wait and take the chips they willingly give up when you have best.

After initial stages of freerolls, past late registration, remaining players tend to be better all around players and the play is more aligned with 'real' poker - than bingo/maniac/shove-tastic poker.
 
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Why bother is the real question. I'm tired of being right so often and making that spot on call/raise just to river out. Its hard enough with the table hopping and extreme donking. Ive come to the conclusion that low stake/free rolls are truly all luck.

I guess this falls under suck outs. Guess I'm venting. But putting people on a range seems more useful in live play. Cant say I'm not trying.


Thought this video from blackrain was relevant to your initial post.
 
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I play low stakes and get sucked out all the time however, smart play will always win out in the long run.
 
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i prefere too play with all-in pré flop for me is the best if u have a good hand
 
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