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When does it end?
I am referring to the so called Variance, I play on 4 different sites, on three of them I have reasonable results win some etc, however on the 4th site, PokerStars I suffer from a long continuous losing streak, I mean I cannot win a race a flip or catch a draw, even with 15 outs on the flop, I just cannot catch, cannot win. This has been going on for approximately 37 days and that is playing 5 or more MTTs $1.50 buy ins daily. When I do catch AA or very good starting cards either no one calls or I get out drawn by garbage. I have read I should be patient and keep playing, however, when this goes on for such a long time and only on one site I am beginning to believe that the site in question uses algorithms to identify winners and losers prior to cards being dealt and if you are on the losing end of the algorithm there is no way out except to not play. Thoughts?
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And it does end | 6 | September 25th, 2021 2:00 PM | Tournament Poker |
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According to your Sharkscope profile you are playing 1,5$ 18-man SnGs on PokerStars. These games have a very high rake, and they are probably also somewhat reg infested like any other SnGs on PokerStars. These are the two reasons, why they are difficult to beat. It has nothing to do with the RnG. But if you find games on other sites, that are softer and/or have a lower rake, then by all means play these. Or play the 1$ 45-mans on Stars. They have a much more reasonable rake, and they are not turbos, both of which makes a substantially higher ROI possible.
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Personally, I've given up on this site and accept that in life you don't always win.
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In the short term, luck plays a big role. But you also need to know that the field of stars is the best. It is most conspicuous on small bets.
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hi
why don't you continue only in the three of which you win and remove the fourth site?
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PokerStars is a normal site, you just need to be patient and if you are a good player then the distance will spill everything into place
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We all get the same cards,,,,
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re: Poker & When does it end?
surely they haven't heard how you treat people at the table? have you been studying your game for any leaks? 37 days isn't even close to a record in bad variance, work on your game and your attitude, there's a light at the end of the tunnel
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I agree with you brother, if you have losses in Pokerstars that you continue in the other 3 rooms.
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If you, for whatever reason, think it's related to the platform itself, then I would suggest you take a break from playing on it.
At least for a while or until you feel like you need to play there once again.
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AA and good starting hands are not guaranteed to win, how the hands were played has a lot to do with it.
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You should not count the days, but the number of buy-ins. In this discipline, streaks of 20-30 buy-ins are normal. So if you lose more, you should think about it. That means you are doing something wrong.
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We enter 18 players, 4 places pay, 1,5$ buyin, 12% rake, 200 as the number, we are going to play, and lets give Hero a 5% ROI to start with. This might sound pessimistic, but these events have a small field, a turbo structure and a very high rake, so its definitely going to be difficult to achieve a dubble digit ROI. The result of the calculation is, that Heros risk of losing is 36,4%. Now lets try to be really optimistic and assume, Hero is crushing these games with a 10% ROI. That does reduce the risk of losing, since the stronger upwards trend will pull Hero out of downswings faster. But Hero is still losing 23,9% of the time. So its still not like, this is some extraordinary unlucky run at all. And frankly when Hero has chosen a game with so much rake and a fast structure, its a big achievement to win anything at all. PokerStars keep 18c of each 1,5$ buyin as rake, so after 200 events, if Hero is down less than 36$, he has actually beaten his opponents but just not the rake. And this is an important reality check as well. Its the nature of raked games, that marginal winners will still end up losing to the rake. And maybe we are only a marginal winner in the game, we have selected to play. Maybe we need to improve our game to beat the rake. Or maybe we should select another game, which is easier to beat because of lower rake, softer competition or a better structure.
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37 days still have too little informative value. I've been playing at Pokerstars for three years and I've had good times and bad times. I could not find any manipulation of the software. I have the feeling that I am sometimes more unlucky than lucky, but every player is sure to feel that way. You have to remember that tournament poker has a higher variance than cash games. I am not a fan of tournament poker. Television has made tournament poker look glamorous and like a competition where skill prevails. However, the truth of the matter is that lucks plays a much larger factor in tournaments than in ring games. Think about this way: at a regular no-limit game, if you started with $ 2,000 what is the chance that you would end up with $ 2 million before the night was over? Zero. However, to win a tounament where awake player has 2k starting chips and 1,000 people enter, you would need to win two million in chips to win the tournament. Not an easy feat to do unless lady luck truly smiled upon that day!
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re: Poker & When does it end?
the truth is he has a problem with tilt and gets angry at the players who beat him, most likely affecting his play.
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Playing MTSNG for 45 people for $ 0.25, I show a good result. But playing for$ 1, I often get into the cooler and lose. And I don't play badly, but my opponents have a feeling that they play worse than people at 0.25$
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I do not play on stars, but they sngs used to have a ton of regs. Maybe you are just playing in more difficult games than you are on other sites. Another thing you could do is make sure you are playing correctly by running hands through an icm calculator like sngwiz or icmizer. The icm in 18 mans is different than the icm in your standard 9 man. You also may want to game select better by choosing games in the lobby with weaker players.
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pokerstars is the best and most honest poker site. therefore, there are a lot of players. and a lot of professional poker players. therefore, it is difficult to win pokerstars. and there are few players on other poker sites. there is a lot of probability of winning there
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again
https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/924VzAqxK
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Yeah Stars offer really big variety of games, and I do belive the faster games have variance which can broke people in really small amount of hands. We all 've been there, better luck next time.
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re: Poker & When does it end?
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playing Mmos is not easy. I earn 3/15. Champion 1/15. pS game
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The same suffer here. The worst is that it's never going to change!
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The answer to this is pretty simple: If you're losing on PokerStars, don't play there. Stick with the ones's that are good for you.
You can get yourself into a rut, by thinking that you lose there all the time, so in effect, that what's happening to you because you expect to, so you do. It's all a matter of attitude going in.
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Just stop playing for a week to pass the bad period and than try again.
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When does it end?
1. When your balance is zero. 2. When you start to win. I advise you to start winning.
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2 guys who I followed, checked their blogs had useful opinion about it. 1 of them was a mid/high stake reg on ps. After a year downswing, he said, probably the variance online is much wilder then he thought before. Took a break, after started to play again there, had some good results in the first month after half year insane bad beat again, so he left the ps forever - and he is still profitable everywhere else, live, online. The other one says the similar things are going on for him 2-4 weeks usually playing 40-50 tourneys everyday with max 1 dayoff/week, but his longest one was 3 month. He is also that kind of guy, who doesnt agree anything in the mainstream poker world, like 100BI bankroll, he use 400, because the variance is wilder compare to what they say about it in most of the places. Personally, i left ps long time ago, exactly for the same reason (not only but one of the main). still have not experienced similar things anywhere else. Even in other rooms the longest one was around 400k hands, played almost everyday 20-30 tourneys, it was nearly half year.... i think, that was the once in a decade, maybe lifetime. Otherwise for week(s), it happens several times in a year. You can stop and take a break, it doesnt necessary mean it will go when you restart. However, definitely put you on tilt less times, if you dont face with it everyday. gl
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But when it comes to turbo SnGs, there are lots of buyin levels, where I am breakeven or down over samples of houndreds of these. Like the 5$ KO 9-man SnG. Down 107$ over 183 events. So why then do I still play turbo SnGs, you may ask? And the main reason is, that I dont always have time to commit those 4-7 hours, which it takes to play an MTT, and regular speed SnGs tend to run less and less frequently.
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re: Poker & When does it end?
I think in this case it is worth taking a break from the poker stars for a few days, maybe weeks. In the meantime, play on the other three sites. I do this in such situations when I see that it is impossible to win !! There are also good days, then I advise you to play as much as possible, I wish you good luck
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I never really was in sng, sometimes play msng, on demand. However nowadays I really think about that, turbo and hyper single table sng or double up. (I just tried some, i think there are many players whose play is loose, play for fun, especially the turbo, hyper. Could be great to pick a room for that and fill the gaps when not enough tourney run.) Can you recommend any books, videos, regs, what are not about basics and useful on micro/low level? Otherwise, i didnt check ps since years, but their fees were far the most expensive. I think it didnt change + they didnt have any real rakeback. Just mention what i have tried and looked good: the WPN has a good sng weekly leaderboard, where even from micro/low the first ladder with on demand easily doable, and they basically pay back the 9-10% fee. The partypoker have low 10$ sngs, the turbo fee is 8%, the hyper is 6% + they have daily sng leaderboard what also pays back the fee, sometimes even more, if you play enough. (played around 40 one day, took 3-4 hours, and i was in the top 20 on the leaderboard - of course weekdays.)
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Take a break and play some cash poker. I use all in cash out on pokerstars. It does have a 1% fee but if you are really tired of bad beats its worth it.
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That's partly true, especially on acr/wpn on demand. Played it out with the 6,6$ on demand, had to play around 90 of those in a week, but the rebuy counts in too, i made 12, so it was 78 on demand tourney, those mostly run in US peak hours, but then it starts often. The fee i paid: 90x0,6= 54$ and i got back 50$ because of leaderboard + the elite program 2-3$ so it is almost the hole fee. On partypoker, as those just single sngs, don't have to wait too much even in the dead hours. As you play more sng like me, any idea what to check out for double or nothing turbo/hyper sng? Because of leaderboards, rakebacks, on the 10$ ones, even won 50-55% of them in long run could bring averagely 40-100$/per day, so i don't have to be the best, don't have to win 60%+ of games. ?????
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times for SnGs on ACR/WPN
The regular 9man SnGs run roughly about every 30 minutes at peak hours. Lower variance - more like a final table event with everyone starting with 100bb.
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I see your point and understand why cash players have this point, but tournament poker is much more dependent upon skill compared to cash tables. As opposed to a cash game - where all you have to do is sit around and wait for your big hands - top off whenever you want, in a tourney you have to be conscious of your opponents and their tendencies - which are always changing with table changes, and how best to take advantage - even when the cards aren't coming. That is all skill - not luck. Additionally - it's pretty easy to play 100bb stack vs 6+ players who are at the same table for 2+ hours. Lose a pot - top off - back to 100bb. Compared to playing constant varying stack sizes vs different opponents at different stages of events and different speeds, cash games on the other hand - are the same every day of the week. Lastly a strong draw to tourneys is the fact you pay one rake - and can play as many hands of poker as you can before busting or winning, compared to cash games which are raked every time you hit the flop, which in my opinion is highway robbery, but is the cost of being allowed to play an easier game that requires less skill to play. Just my opinion though - from a player who prefers tourneys over cash games.
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