Should I have played this better?

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Ok,local casino 10k starting stack

I have 106k at the break and this happens

Player raises to 12k from 2000/4000 blinds and I call with 7h 8h

Flop is Kd 5h 6h

Player bets 26k and I go all in

Turn is Qh then river 2h

He has AK (Ace is hearts)

Could I have got away from this hand or was I doomed from the start?

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Hi There
When someone ask if he has played wrong,,,,,then you can be sure it was wrong
Now....7/8 ? Really? Come on
Rgds
 
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Folding pre to a 3x raise with 78s would be fine, folding to 26k raise post flop would seem prudent.
 
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Ok,local casino 10k starting stack

I have 106k at the break and this happens

Player raises to 12k from 2000/4000 blinds and I call with 7h 8h

Flop is Kd 5h 6h

Player bets 26k and I go all in

Turn is Qh then river 2h

He has AK (Ace is hearts)

Could I have got away from this hand or was I doomed from the start?

Cheers guys on info


Please provide more information when posting your Hand History. The more info. you provide, will enable higher quality responses
ie. What are the blinds at?
What are the sizes of stacks involved... & position of players. (providing other player's stack sizes.. even those not involved in the hand is also useful)?
History with Villain?
Our image (as far as Villain is concerned)?
And any info. you feel could help... stuff that might be relevant.

In this hand it's a bit hard to say as I have no clue how deep you both are??
You've flopped a Straight-flush draw... depending upon how deep I am, I'm most likely trying to get this into the middle if I'm able to. But 'it depends' on how deep you are.

As far as wondering if you could've gotten away from the hand goes.... this isn't how I'm going to be thinking about the hand. Instead I'm thinking "have I made the right decisions in each spot with the info. provided at the time"
 
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Hi there,


I would like to ask that you include your table position in the future. This would help give a better picture and advice. Even better if you could join https://www.boomplayer.com/ to share your hands in real time.

Others can help me here if I go wrong, but here goes...

Pot is at least 24k and player bets 26k. Pause here and think..

Villain is betting, 3 x BB indicates that he has a premium hand and may have hit a K as part of his range. You are now faced with 9 heart outs with the turn and river to come.

Here I use the 2 - 4 rule and multiply the 9 outs by 4 to calculate my odds of hitting a heart to complete the flush which gives
36 %. 36/100 can be rounded off to 40/100 = 2 / 5 = 1 : 2.5 as a ratio. This means that you can call Villains bet, if you get those pot odds. So lets take a look...

You now have to bet 26k to a pot of 50k which looks a little below 1:2 odds and does not quite merit a call {pot odds are not better than odds of hitting} and absolutely not a shove as yet :). You can still choose to gamble since it is close but mathematically speaking a fold is best!

Now on the turn you hit a flush and this I believe is the best time to shove all-in.

You have a scare card in your favour and may get a sensible player to fold seeing three hearts on the board.

Shoving after the flop is not well timed in my opinion because barring you hitting a set holding pocket pairs, villain expects you to have KT, KQ,KJ, AK in your range and he beats most of them. However, he may entertain them being suited and fold on the side of caution if you shove after the third heart hits the board. He may very well gamble on the 4th heart holding the nut flush but I believe you are still better off shoving on the turn.

I would like to get your feedback and that of others on this and wish you all the best.

I hope this reply was clear.

Checking your pot odds to call is very important in poker and timing matters a whole lot.
 
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fold pre
fold on the flop


discounting the 2 hearts, you have 6 Outs for your draw and face an overbet….
there is no Need to gamble when he Plays so aggressive
even if he has 2 overcards with the flushdraw without the king he is ahead
i don't want to get my Chips in with an OESD
 
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Please provide more information when posting your Hand History. The more info. you provide, will enable higher quality responses
ie. What are the blinds at?
What are the sizes of stacks involved... & position of players. (providing other player's stack sizes.. even those not involved in the hand is also useful)?
History with Villain?
Our image (as far as Villain is concerned)?
And any info. you feel could help... stuff that might be relevant.

In this hand it's a bit hard to say as I have no clue how deep you both are??
You've flopped a Straight-flush draw... depending upon how deep I am, I'm most likely trying to get this into the middle if I'm able to. But 'it depends' on how deep you are.

As far as wondering if you could've gotten away from the hand goes.... this isn't how I'm going to be thinking about the hand. Instead I'm thinking "have I made the right decisions in each spot with the info. provided at the time"


This.....

To give a quality response more info is needed. There are two things really sticking out - stack sizes and position/# of players left in tournament.


SoCal
 
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