Should I have called with this hands?

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fundiver199

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Would you also have asked, if these hands had missed the flop completely? If not then why does it matter, that they hit?
 
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No those were all easy pre-flop folds. Playing crummy hands just because they would've ended up flopping well is called being results oriented, it's not a good habit.
 
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I would call with KT of diamonds in hand #1. You are in position with a hand that has straight and flush possibilities. And if you hit a King or Ten that might also be good. Calling $270 with a chip stack of $9000 is not going to hurt you if you brick the flop. If the big blind raises instead of calls and the pot gets bigger pre flop then I fold.
 
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I would call with KT of diamonds in hand #1. You are in position with a hand that has straight and flush possibilities. And if you hit a King or Ten that might also be good. Calling $270 with a chip stack of $9000 is not going to hurt you if you brick the flop. If the big blind raises instead of calls and the pot gets bigger pre flop then I fold.


The problem with calling a hand like KTs against an UTG open is domination and reverse implied odds. The most common thing, you will flop, is one pair. Flop comes KXX. He has AA, AK, KQ. There goes a lot of money. Flop comes TXX. He has AA, KK, QQ, JJ. There goes a lot of money. Flop comes QTX. He has AA, KK, AQ, KQ. There goes at least one bet. Even when you make a flush, its not totally great, because he can have a suited ace "coolering" you with a better flush.

Its also a big deal, that there are 4 players behind, who can put out a squeeze bet. If you flat with a lot of marginal hands, you have to fold, every time that happen, so you are basically just dumping dead chips into the pot. Maybe on very passive tables, you can get away with calling, but as you move up, and players get better, they are going to pound on you.

Flat calling to much is probably the biggest leak in a lot of new players game. And its kind of understandable. We want to get involved and see flops. Folding is not exciting, and picking up small pots without showdown is not particularly exciting either. But in reality this is what, winning poker is all about, and especially in tournaments with antes. So bringing down that VPIP and the gap between VPIP and PFR is the best thing, a new player can do for his winrate.
 
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The problem with calling a hand like KTs against an UTG open is domination and reverse implied odds. The most common thing, you will flop, is one pair. Flop comes KXX. He has AA, AK, KQ. There goes a lot of money. Flop comes TXX. He has AA, KK, QQ, JJ. There goes a lot of money. Flop comes QTX. He has AA, KK, AQ, KQ. There goes at least one bet. Even when you make a flush, its not totally great, because he can have a suited ace "coolering" you with a better flush.

Its also a big deal, that there are 4 players behind, who can put out a squeeze bet. If you flat with a lot of marginal hands, you have to fold, every time that happen, so you are basically just dumping dead chips into the pot. Maybe on very passive tables, you can get away with calling, but as you move up, and players get better, they are going to pound on you.

Flat calling to much is probably the biggest leak in a lot of new players game. And its kind of understandable. We want to get involved and see flops. Folding is not exciting, and picking up small pots without showdown is not particularly exciting either. But in reality this is what, winning poker is all about, and especially in tournaments with antes. So bringing down that VPIP and the gap between VPIP and PFR is the best thing, a new player can do for his
 
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The problem with calling a hand like KTs against an UTG open is domination and reverse implied odds. The most common thing, you will flop, is one pair. Flop comes KXX. He has AA, AK, KQ. There goes a lot of money. Flop comes TXX. He has AA, KK, QQ, JJ. There goes a lot of money. Flop comes QTX. He has AA, KK, AQ, KQ. There goes at least one bet. Even when you make a flush, its not totally great, because he can have a suited ace "coolering" you with a better flush.

Its also a big deal, that there are 4 players behind, who can put out a squeeze bet. If you flat with a lot of marginal hands, you have to fold, every time that happen, so you are basically just dumping dead chips into the pot. Maybe on very passive tables, you can get away with calling, but as you move up, and players get better, they are going to pound on you.

Flat calling to much is probably the biggest leak in a lot of new players game. And its kind of understandable. We want to get involved and see flops. Folding is not exciting, and picking up small pots without showdown is not particularly exciting either. But in reality this is what, winning poker is all about, and especially in tournaments with antes. So bringing down that VPIP and the gap between VPIP and PFR is the best thing, a new player can do for his



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