Question about heads-up monkey tilts shover

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Hi,
I am mostly a hyper turbo heads up player.

After commiting to improving my game for one month, i feel for the first time in my life i made a considerable breakthrough in my game and was able to win consistently.I should say that i was a casual losing player for years in micro stakes.
First i was able to break even after a few weeks.
I kept improving my game and my post flop game improved considerably. After so many days of studying, tilting, thinking about this game, i finnally felt some considerable results and change in my winning abilities.

So what happens know, is that the micro stakes idiot cannot beat me on my post flop game.
I mostly bet my equity, with a few obvious bluff there and there.
Sometimes going all in on their cheap attempt to steal the pot etc etc etc and mostly not paying their miracles cards when they start chasing. I became good at reading players etc...

Consequently, they take refuge in the preflop shoving. when they reach 60% of their stack, they just overshove, over bet, and i think they exploit a mistake in my game. They just give up the flop game.
I am starting to wonder how i should adapt my range, and if i should consider taking their Ax, pp or else shoves with broadways or suited connectors, low pairs, even if i have a 40% equity. Because obviously if they do 2 all in full stack their overall chances to win the game are 36 % if they take 2 all in going 60/40 for them or 25 % if they have one 60/40 and the other one 40/60.

But my brain is telling me not to do it because most of the time they win their flips and come back at more than 500 chips, so that puts me in a losing situation, and yes, it does annoy me.:mad::mad::mad:

So should i shove when their stacks are low with 35% of the nash board?

Also after losing chips they start to shove right away. I tend to call their shoves but a lot of the time this is a fake tilt move from them (or not) and they win the flip.
I tend to shove with only 15% of the better hands. I start to realize my range is too tight against these monkeys giving them food to eat. But i am very unlucky and always need 2 or 3 coin flips to expel the opponent

Sorry if my technical words might miss the mark i am self taught.
 
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With the blinds rising that fast, heads up you need a wide range. You will get unlucky sometimes, but you can get a good win rate- you need to to overcome the rake.
 
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Hyper Turbos HU is almost solved.

Nash charts are pretty close when it comes to all-ins under 20BB. Not perfect but close. Under 10BB it is almost always better to just shove or fold.

Go to HUSNG.com if you want instructions for when to call and how often when monkeys go all-in deeper than 10BB almost every hand.

But the sad thing that even if you get a small edge against people that push to wide and to early (deep) it is impossible to get a big edge (unless they push any two cards all the time).
 
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Hyper Turbos HU is almost solved.

Nash charts are pretty close when it comes to all-ins under 20BB. Not perfect but close. Under 10BB it is almost always better to just shove or fold.

Go to HUSNG.com if you want instructions for when to call and how often when monkeys go all-in deeper than 10BB almost every hand.

But the sad thing that even if you get a small edge against people that push to wide and to early (deep) it is impossible to get a big edge (unless they push any two cards all the time).
By solved, what do you mean exactly?
If i understand correctly, you mean that you can only get a small edge against shovers?
Most of them don't shove 100%, they are more like 30% shoving.

It leads to this annoying playstyle if you start shoving where when you stop and limp they just shove back. Of course it can be exploited, but i am wondering what good win percentage can a very good Husg player expect (and i don't consider myself one of course just curious)
 
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By solved, what do you mean exactly?
If i understand correctly, you mean that you can only get a small edge against shovers?
Most of them don't shove 100%, they are more like 30% shoving.

It leads to this annoying playstyle if you start shoving where when you stop and limp they just shove back. Of course it can be exploited, but i am wondering what good win percentage can a very good Husg player expect (and i don't consider myself one of course just curious)

By solved I mean that people and machines (solvers/AI) have figured out what is almost optimal play with any two cards HU with relative short stacks. Since the game-tree is smaller as stacks get shorter they have done it not only for pre flop but for post flop as well.

So a lot of reg sit with charts or HUDs that give them advice what the best move in any situation is depending on how many BB they have left.

If someone play to tight or to loose. If someone folds too often or not enough there is a small edge to be found like in all poker. But the charts and machine advice gets closer and closer to perfect play.

The problem as you have experienced yourself when it comes to HUSNG Hypers is that you very quickly get a so short stack that you can play fold or all-in without given up much of the advantage that a mini-raise or limp can give.

So it is hard to get even 10% ROI against bad players if they just push and fold according to a simple NASH-chart when short. At the lower stakes rake take much of the win-rate and at higher stakes there is no more idiots left. An almost perfect player maybe has 5% ROI against the population.

But at higher stakes there is almost no games going since every reg has very good knowledge plus programs that assist them.

If they often push when you limp the obvious correction is of course to limp all your premium hands (and if they often fold to a mini-raise, raise-fold with your worse hands). Do a "range-switch" until they notice what your limping range has become stronger and they stop pushing so often.
 
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