This is a discussion on Push fold chart within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; Hi friends, lately I have been noticing that I have not been getting paid off shoving preflop, even with premium hands. Iím wondering when you
Hi friends, lately I have been noticing that I have not been getting paid off shoving preflop, even with premium hands. Iím wondering when you guys would push preflop or not. Would you push KK first hand of a tournament?
Im never open jamming KK first hand of a tournament if that is what you are asking. Hands like KK or other premium hands should be played to get max value. If you are in a freeroll tournament you may have an argument for shoving as many in those could call with any two. In a buy in tournament, these hands always need to be played for value and should be raised the "normal" amount and then extract as much as you can post flop. Otherwise, jamming first hand in a buy in tournament will lead to folds unless you are super lucky to get someone with QQ or super unlucky to get someone with AA.
You are losing tons of value open jamming KK for more than 12-17bb. Especially a fresh tournament start - what do you expect to call you?? AK? You block the hell out of that combo! Pretty unlikely the opponent wakes up with QQs but I guess you get action there and once in a blue moon you're gonna find that hand that snap calls you and your opponent rolls over AA.
It's just much more standard annnnd BENEFICIAL to raise the KKs normally preflop and play post flop accordingly. Remember, as strong as kings are, you're still gonna see that Ace roll around about 30% of the time. Good luck in your games
personally the answer is a categorical no. at the start of the game I am content to play the game of reduced variance. which means that I try to avoid flip and put everything on one hand as much as possible. I try to manage the pot and I play this type of hand normally like any other hand. this may seem a bit loose but in the long term. it is a good strategy to increase your performance. of course there are exceptions to the rule because it also depends on the situation and the style of play of your opponents.
About the only time I'll push all in with KK is when my chips are under 10BB or right after I lose a big hand. The hand after I lose a big pot, someone might see my immediate shove as a tilt and call me with a lower pair or high connected suited.
Like others have said, any shove in pre-flop is situational and should be rare.
I'm not big on shoving unless I'm short stacked and the blinds are getting big. I just think it's stupid to risk your whole game on a flip of the cards. It doesn't matter what your hole cards are when you're playing people looking to grow a stack with any 2 cards in their hands. Like everyone else said, if you've got great cards you're better off growing the pot. If you're always shoving, people are going to start calling you more with less as well, increasing your chances of getting burned.