PokerStars Strategy

[CDNMAN 42]

I have mentioned numerous times in the past that I believed that PS in particular used your Bank account or deposit info to determine your potential win/loss rate. So I conducted a little experiment, granted the sample size would be considered small, however,
From Mid October until early December I played in 63 tournaments, the majority being 45 Player SNGo's..In this instance I was ITM 8 times or 12%, then I deposited to my account and played an additional 39 tournaments with 15 times ITM or 38%..my point exactly as soon as I deposited I started winning flips, getting good starting hands and getting ITM...Coincidence? I doubt it..poker stars algorithms at work

 

[Lena M]

Hello.
If so, then you can easily use it to your advantage. Although in my opinion, such statistics are more like a coincidence.

 

[nuttea]

I have mentioned numerous times in the past that I believed that PS in particular used your Bank account or deposit info to determine your potential win/loss rate. So I conducted a little experiment, granted the sample size would be considered small, however,
From Mid October until early December I played in 63 tournaments, the majority being 45 Player SNGo's..In this instance I was ITM 8 times or 12%, then I deposited to my account and played an additional 39 tournaments with 15 times ITM or 38%..my point exactly as soon as I deposited I started winning flips, getting good starting hands and getting ITM...Coincidence? I doubt it..Poker Stars algorithms at work

A banal misunderstanding of some points. personally won the MTT tournament less than a week after the cashout, to say nothing of the CIS. Do not fill your head with nonsense.many amateurs often sin on a cashout, they say they brought denyushka out and covered a wild streak, but amateurs usually cash out after a wave of good up, so it turns out that their streak roughly coincides with a cashout

 

[fundiver199]

but amateurs usually cash out after a wave of good up, so it turns out that their streak roughly coincides with a cashout

This is actually a very good point. Few people cash out during a downswing, unless they absolutely have to. Most cash-outs are made after some sort of sunshine run, and therefore people will on average run worse after the cash-out. Not because they are getting punished by a rigged RNG, but because their luck simply returns to the mean.

Another factor is, that after a cashout we obviously have a smaller balance to play with, so unless we move down, we are now applying more aggressive bankroll management. Which will enlarge swings as measured in % of balance, and for many people this will tend to make them tilt more easily or perhaps simply play with "scared money". So all in all its not difficult to understand, why so many people believe in this "withdrawal curse" conspiracy theory.

 

[redmast]

Honestly, I don’t want to believe it, but on the other hand, I noticed if I only play freerolls and haven’t played for money for a long time, then the card comes worse and I’m less in prizes. Moreover, these are my observations for many years.

 

[alien666dj]

Luck as it is in action.

 

[razarach_xD]

Hello.
If so, then you can easily use it to your advantage. Although in my opinion, such statistics are more like a coincidence.

I agree .... coincidence that ppl think it's conspiracy... but who wants to believe it.... why not ?
If you find that as your biggest problem in game then you have a solution also...

 

[slicheri93]

You really think pokerstars would know your bank stuff how much you won lost etc, sure on their site but on your bank? hard to believe and

your "Experiment" really holds nothing since the one time you tried it it's happend like that, it would take you to do it more than a 100 times for it to hold any meaning,

it's like you playing poker for the first time and winning 1000$ dollars, are you a winning player? well you wouldn't know that if you played X amount of hands and X amount of tournaments, then you can match the results and see how it really is, so your experiment sadly doesn't mean anything to your claim.

 

[manzanillo53]

I agree 100% with your findings, I have not deposited money(I have tried but I can not verify my address, so PS will not accept it). I have made the bubble about 5% of the time but get knocked out every time with the worst beats. I am only an average player but the bad beats are ridicules and always around the same point in a tournament.

 

[Zapahlohotrona]

With such thoughts, it is better not to play poker at all, you can become paranoid.

 

[CDNMAN 42]

Your opinion

A banal misunderstanding of some points. personally won the MTT tournament less than a week after the cashout, to say nothing of the CIS. Do not fill your head with nonsense.many amateurs often sin on a cashout, they say they brought denyushka out and covered a wild streak, but amateurs usually cash out after a wave of good up, so it turns out that their streak roughly coincides with a cashout

In my opinion your opinion is not only irrelevant it is meaningless and well just plain dumb

 

[igrok8503]

It takes a longer distance to draw conclusions.
It seems like the ideal variance is 50/50. But again, if Sit & Go is 9-max, you need to compare four values, that is, 1 - Lost, 2 - took 3rd place, 3 - took 2nd place, 4 - took 1st place. Here, most likely, you can make an analysis and draw conclusions. About cash outs and deposits - this is most likely bankroll management. If you do cash-outs, then you need to roughly understand how many games you can play with a certain buy-in.

 

[MAGICUZ]

Many people think so, but this is all nonsense)))I have not made a deposit during the year, but only withdrew and this did not affect my game in any way.Very often made it to the final tables of major tournaments throughout the year and immediately after winning, i withdraw money.So all this is nonsense, and if you think otherwise, then it is better for you not to play online poker))

 

[Luvepoker]

I have mentioned numerous times in the past that I believed that PS in particular used your Bank account or deposit info to determine your potential win/loss rate. So I conducted a little experiment, granted the sample size would be considered small, however,
From Mid October until early December I played in 63 tournaments, the majority being 45 Player SNGo's..In this instance I was ITM 8 times or 12%, then I deposited to my account and played an additional 39 tournaments with 15 times ITM or 38%..my point exactly as soon as I deposited I started winning flips, getting good starting hands and getting ITM...Coincidence? I doubt it..Poker Stars algorithms at work

Sorry but I disagree. Your sample size is just to low to really mean anything. Yes it went you ways after the deposit but what does it really mean? nothing with only 39 games. While I cant play on PS anymore i lived on the 45 man games. I made one deposit and that was all. I won 3 out or 4 in a 1 day span and took 2nd in the other and did not cash once 30+ time in a row. I also went 10 months slowly beading my funds. I do understand you are frustrated but its not rigged.

 

[1nsomn1a]

I try not to count my winning percentage and ITM, it's easier to concentrate on each game and try to play the best poker, after a lot of white and black stripes, you just stop paying attention to it.

 

[terryk]

Cool,,i'll make a deposit so my ITM will be 38%,,,,yippeeeeee!! :marchmell $$$

 

[micalupagoo]

I have mentioned numerous times in the past that I believed that PS in particular used your Bank account or deposit info to determine your potential win/loss rate. So I conducted a little experiment, granted the sample size would be considered small, however,
From Mid October until early December I played in 63 tournaments, the majority being 45 Player SNGo's..In this instance I was ITM 8 times or 12%, then I deposited to my account and played an additional 39 tournaments with 15 times ITM or 38%..my point exactly as soon as I deposited I started winning flips, getting good starting hands and getting ITM...Coincidence? I doubt it..Poker Stars algorithms at work

Well it seems obvious you should deposit way way more, play some 1k buyins and your win rate should jump up to 80-90%

I agree 100% with your findings, I have not deposited money(I have tried but I can not verify my address, so PS will not accept it). I have made the bubble about 5% of the time but get knocked out every time with the worst beats. I am only an average player but the bad beats are ridicules and always around the same point in a tournament.

Every time I get knocked out it’s from a bad beat lol, maybe you have a leak in your game or don’t understand different strategy’s for different levels of the game. If it’s always at the same point in a tourney there’s something you’re doing wrong, not the poker site

 

[Poker Orifice]

I agree 100% with your findings, I have not deposited money(I have tried but I can not verify my address, so PS will not accept it). I have made the bubble about 5% of the time but get knocked out every time with the worst beats. I am only an average player but the bad beats are ridicules and always around the same point in a tournament.

And oddly enough, this ^ is right near the start of the tournaments

 

[nutself]

It is a funny superstition，you can make causal connection between any two unrelated things as you wish, but you cannot justify your statement as you pleased.

 

[CDNMAN 42]

and then this

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/924Zckqke

 

[Poker Orifice]

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/924Zckqke

I'm not sure what the point of this ^ is?
It was a standard spot & even if it wasn't, and let's say villain got it in particularly bad.. we'd want to celebrate this. (and even hear, we want to celebrate this spot... we got villain to 5bai over our 4Bet pre... what could possibly be better while holding AA?)

So you lose an 80/20. Big deal. You're guaranteed to be losing here ~20% of the time.
I'm sure I've lost 100's of 80/20's this past year. It is completely normal. If you weren't losing 80/20's, then I'd suspect something was wrong.

 

[puzzlefish]

I have mentioned numerous times in the past that I believed that PS in particular used your Bank account or deposit info to determine your potential win/loss rate. So I conducted a little experiment, granted the sample size would be considered small, however,
From Mid October until early December I played in 63 tournaments, the majority being 45 Player SNGo's..In this instance I was ITM 8 times or 12%, then I deposited to my account and played an additional 39 tournaments with 15 times ITM or 38%..my point exactly as soon as I deposited I started winning flips, getting good starting hands and getting ITM...Coincidence? I doubt it..Poker Stars algorithms at work

Now you can conduct an additional experiment. All you need to do is find the minimum deposit quantity and frequency required to optimize your ROI and you're golden. Don't waste your time posting on here about this stuff. If you think you've got something, just go and use it to your advantage.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Now you can conduct an additional experiment. All you need to do is find the minimum deposit quantity and frequency required to optimize your ROI and you're golden. Don't waste your time posting on here about this stuff. If you think you've got something, just go and use it to your advantage.

LOL... says the guy who sees ALL of the 'patterns'. (only tries it on the freerolls & penny games though)

 

[300HPGOD]

I could never prove this but are you playing the same in both samples? (which we all know as you said sample size is way too small) If you truly believe you were going to lose before you made the deposit then there is at least a chance you played scared, folded when you should have called, jammed, etc. and therefore did not play optimally. Flip side of that is true too where once you made the deposit you believed you were going to win so you weren't afraid to jam, bet, be aggressive, etc. and that is what propelled your higher ROI and not the deposit that you made. No way to prove whether that happened or not. I am just writing what I think just as you did with your post. If you truly feel the sites are rigged then why play them? If you play on them because you love poker then you will have to either deal with the "rigging" as you believe or only play freerolls and not have to worry about if you are being cheated out of your money.

At one time I thought sites could be rigged as well and then I started to question every move I made instead of always blaming the runout. I also think you should keep track of your all ins (as I do) based on what your equity was and how much you are winning or losing you will see the times you suckout on others. It opened my eyes that I am not running anywhere near as badly as I once thought I was. We as poker players tend to forget the times we suck out on others (thinking, "well, I am supposed to win that some of the time") and only remember the times we feel we got screwed. Question all of your moves, win or lose and I think it will help you to improve your game.

 

[fundiver199]

I could never prove this but are you playing the same in both samples? (which we all know as you said sample size is way too small) If you truly believe you were going to lose before you made the deposit then there is at least a chance you played scared, folded when you should have called, jammed, etc. and therefore did not play optimally. Flip side of that is true too where once you made the deposit you believed you were going to win so you weren't afraid to jam, bet, be aggressive, etc. and that is what propelled your higher ROI and not the deposit that you made.

In medicine this is called the placebo effect. And even if people dont believe, the sites are rigged, depositing bolster the bankroll, while withdrawing reduce it, and for most people its easier to play well, when they are overrolled for the games, they play, rather than underrolled.

And as I wrote earlier, people tend to deposit after losing (running bad) and withdraw after winning (running hot). So to a large extend the observed change in luck might just be a reversion towards the mean. And since people often take winning for granted, they might think, the sunshine run, which allowed them to withdraw, is normal, and that when they are running worse than a sunshine run, its because of a "withdrawal curse".

I also think you should keep track of your all ins (as I do) based on what your equity was and how much you are winning or losing you will see the times you suckout on others. It opened my eyes that I am not running anywhere near as badly as I once thought I was.

And there is a very easy way to do that, which is to use a tracker. Most if not all trackers automatically calculate your all-in adjusted results for both cash games and tournaments. Not quite sure how it works for tournament, or how accurate that is, but it at least gives you an idea of, how lucky or unlucky you have truly been, when you were all-in before the river. So that, as you say, you can stop focusing on the one time, your KK lost to a fish calling with 84s, and see the whole picture.

Question all of your moves, win or lose and I think it will help you to improve your game.

And coincidentally a tracker is also very good for reviewing hands