MTT - designed to eliminate players quicker ?

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just a general wondering but I’m feeling at the moment that a lot of MTT tournaments I’m playing seem to be favouring the bigger stacks no matter how high the odds are stacked against them, thus eliminating the small stacks a lot quicker than you would see in real life, is this me been a sore loser or have other ppl experienced this ?
 
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I can say that it's not true that big stacks are protected. I've had a big stack several times only to watch it get ripped apart during the middle and later rounds by small stacks.

You just need to pick you battles and adapt your play as a small stack player, and work your way up past the average chip count. Analyze your play. You may be committing too much to the pot pre-flop, or making bad decisions post-flop. Just analyze your weaknesses and try to plug up your leaks.

Good luck to you! :)
 
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If you find the tournament moving too fast, try to avoid the turbo style variation. Instead look for something with a slower blind speed to give yourself a chance to build a stack.
 
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The bigger stacks take more risks against smaller stacks with hands they normally wouldn't play.
With a 60/40 on many flips the big stacks will win their share and probably appear to win more that their share, because they are flipping with trash a lot of the time and sucking out.
 
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Yes I think you all have valid points, I’ve hit a bad patch at the moment and I’m probably looking to blame everyone but myself. Like what is mentioned above I do find a lot of big the bigger stacks who maybe have double my stack or more do tend to flip trash hands and land them and I think this is what’s causing me to think that the big stacks are given some kind of advantage by the program. Is this play recommmended? And if so what kind of cards would people be playing that they wouldn’t if they were short stacked?
 
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It's just paranoia. Players run good. We all do here and there in MTT's.
You're more likely to remember unlucky moments/ bad beats than the moments you got lucky/ran really well.
 
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Yes I think you all have valid points, I’ve hit a bad patch at the moment and I’m probably looking to blame everyone but myself. Like what is mentioned above I do find a lot of big the bigger stacks who maybe have double my stack or more do tend to flip trash hands and land them and I think this is what’s causing me to think that the big stacks are given some kind of advantage by the program. Is this play recommmended? And if so what kind of cards would people be playing that they wouldn’t if they were short stacked?


my advice would be to stop wasting any time thinking about 'a program' or conspiracy. The game isn't deal out by some program. Cards will be dealt to you with same results as if they were dealt from a live deck.
 
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Yes I think you all have valid points, I’ve hit a bad patch at the moment and I’m probably looking to blame everyone but myself. Like what is mentioned above I do find a lot of big the bigger stacks who maybe have double my stack or more do tend to flip trash hands and land them and I think this is what’s causing me to think that the big stacks are given some kind of advantage by the program. Is this play recommmended? And if so what kind of cards would people be playing that they wouldn’t if they were short stacked?


It all depends on the situation. Blinds get high and a lot of the time it's profitable to jam any two cards into shorter stacks if they are playing tight. Just stealing from them relentlessly until they wake up with a hand... if they resist with any top 10% of hands (which is still a little loose sometimes when it comes to people's "tournament life") that means 9/10 shoves go through uncontested, when they call you have around 40% equity so it's hugely profitable in these scenarios.

If you mean they are calling off shortstack shoves, my guesses are A. You are playing freerolls B. You yourself do not understand proper calling ranges vs shortstacks because if playing "properly" they should be pushing superwide. The problem is not all shortys know how to play push/fold so you get the situation where they are shoving super tight but people are calling off thinking the shover should be pushing almost any 2 cards.

So you end up with a bigstack calling off shoves with some crap like Q7os, because Q high is a snapcall vs an any two cards shoving range. But the shover waited for hours to get AK... Q on the board and "omg, this is so rigged for the bigger stacks", when in actuality it's the shorty's fault for blinding themselves down to nothing waiting on a hand and not really giving the big stack an option but to call off their 4bb shoves, then the shorty loses a 60/40 which isn't all that unrealistic at all.

I hope this makes sense to you, it makes sense in my head anyways lol
 
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MTT must end at a time, so eliminating all-in players is normal.
 
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My take is it just appears that way. By virtue of their large stack they can play a more open game. This allows them to see more flops, float more draws, call off a little light, and that sort of thing. I don't feel the fix is in for big stacks. You have to be in a hand to make a hand and the big stacks are simply able to be in more hands.
 
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hello, for the first time I hear it, never noticed such a thing .. It's mathematically impossible, with chances in favor of a small stack, how can a big stack win?)
 
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At PS markedly different. AA KK very often lose over the worst or even garbage hands.
 
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in Poker, big stack is more likely to survive.
example:
big stack play 100% a hand against small stack 10%. where both ahve 50% chance to win.
big stack has 10 shots at this, small stack only 1. For sure big stack will hit and win before running out of chips.
 
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You think that because when big stack win the hand small stack is eliminated and when small stack win hand big stack just lost a part of stack so you noticed more the elimination.
 
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see well. with whatever cards to enter, BB or KO passing and more players at all in more players
 
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do not play turbo thats going faster than normal tournaments
 
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Hi
Yes its true when it comes to hyper/ turbo it happens.
I experienced this myself, where I won hands with garbage cards, and lost with good hands to garbage cards.

I had 99 and went all in to ward off donks but no, this player with slightly bigger stack than me calls all in with 10 6 os.
Flops a 10 and I am kicked out, just like that.
 
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All tournaments who have a large stack that easier they put pressure on those who have less for example if the table of nine persons, one stack is four times more than the rest about the same, and if five people went all-in he can equalize with beemerboy and deviatko suited hoping to get lucky what you can do even with a pair of aces because you have so many players win rate is only 19% is good to have a big stack.
 
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There's something true in what you're saying. Tournament structures are designed that at some points, you don't have a lots of choice with the stack you have or you can play loose and have a lots of possibility. But live tournaments are also designed the same way.. nothing to do with the cards.

Keep on the work, you'll find your way in!

-TRP-
 
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Yes I think you all have valid points, I’ve hit a bad patch at the moment and I’m probably looking to blame everyone but myself. Like what is mentioned above I do find a lot of big the bigger stacks who maybe have double my stack or more do tend to flip trash hands and land them and I think this is what’s causing me to think that the big stacks are given some kind of advantage by the program. Is this play recommmended? And if so what kind of cards would people be playing that they wouldn’t if they were short stacked?
The online MIT course has some remarks on how to deal with big stacks playing trash hands.
If I remember well the statistical optimum they mention is 25%; meaning: if the big stack plays 40%, you play 10%.
 
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And You're absolutely right!now play MTT 0.55 here is fresh giveaways: blinds 400 / 800 on preflop 3 player go all-in 1-ASAS; 2-QsQc; 3-Jc10c the ratio to victory 1- 67%; 2-16%; 3- 17% ; stacks 1-27K; 2 - 34K; 3-95K eventually the jerk who responds with J10 comes trips! How is it possible to explain to any normal person will not be using these maps to answer two risking 1/3 of his stack - but the pokerstars the feeling that win some Imbeciles and the way he is now in the chip leaders of the tournament! That's it!
 
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I admit to thinking that flops are rigged to see action flops to get players to bust in reality this just isn't the case there are lots of combinations of hands. It's true sometimes the big stack seems to have unbelievable power calling your shove with a big pocket pair holding 95 and hits trip 9s but it's all part of the game you want calls being the 80% + favourite
 
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