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LuisBoaC
Rock Star
Silver Level
A bit of a vague question: how do you play when you have little to no fold equity?
I have learnt that, in theory, we should be fighting to win certain pots not because we think we're best but because we think our opponent will fold. For example c-betting when you totally miss the flop but think your opponent's range has mostly missed too; or betting a draw in the hope that you either hit or your opponent folds.
But in the games I play - $1.50 or $3.50 SNGs on pokerstars - I often find myself at a table where, for the first 3 levels at least, there is always at least one pre-flop caller or limper (usually two or three) and most flop bets are called.
When I open someone calls. If I raise a limper someone behind will call.
So I've been tightening up, waiting for strong hands. But I still get callers and they improve to beat me. I know I should like wide callers when I have a strong hand, but when there's 2 or 3 it decreases the value of my strong hand (AA vs one opponent has less equity than AA vs 3 opponents). I recently posted a hand where I lost a big pot overvaluing my AA vs. two opponents on a wet board. The better option would have been to lose a little pot. But if you always have 2+ callers this will often happen and you'll lose lots of little pots. So your stack gets smaller and you still have no fold equity.
I often feel the easiest game is the one where I get no playable cards for the first 3 levels, but then I basically just end up playing shove/fold and wonder if I should have played more poker earlier. Plus that's boring, I might as well play the lottery.
Is there anything I could do differently? Could I limp or call a lot more hands in the early stages, playing hit or fold?
Apologies for the vagueness of this question, I've tried to make it not too ranty. And I really don't feel I'm exaggerating, 30-50% of the games I play there are 2 or 3 players who won't fold (except total, offsuit junk) before they've seen a turn, regardless of board, stacks, bet size, etc.
Thanks in advance for any help.
I have learnt that, in theory, we should be fighting to win certain pots not because we think we're best but because we think our opponent will fold. For example c-betting when you totally miss the flop but think your opponent's range has mostly missed too; or betting a draw in the hope that you either hit or your opponent folds.
But in the games I play - $1.50 or $3.50 SNGs on pokerstars - I often find myself at a table where, for the first 3 levels at least, there is always at least one pre-flop caller or limper (usually two or three) and most flop bets are called.
When I open someone calls. If I raise a limper someone behind will call.
So I've been tightening up, waiting for strong hands. But I still get callers and they improve to beat me. I know I should like wide callers when I have a strong hand, but when there's 2 or 3 it decreases the value of my strong hand (AA vs one opponent has less equity than AA vs 3 opponents). I recently posted a hand where I lost a big pot overvaluing my AA vs. two opponents on a wet board. The better option would have been to lose a little pot. But if you always have 2+ callers this will often happen and you'll lose lots of little pots. So your stack gets smaller and you still have no fold equity.
I often feel the easiest game is the one where I get no playable cards for the first 3 levels, but then I basically just end up playing shove/fold and wonder if I should have played more poker earlier. Plus that's boring, I might as well play the lottery.
Is there anything I could do differently? Could I limp or call a lot more hands in the early stages, playing hit or fold?
Apologies for the vagueness of this question, I've tried to make it not too ranty. And I really don't feel I'm exaggerating, 30-50% of the games I play there are 2 or 3 players who won't fold (except total, offsuit junk) before they've seen a turn, regardless of board, stacks, bet size, etc.
Thanks in advance for any help.