The formula which makes bust out the tourney. How can I overcome?

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omote23

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1. play tight on early stage.
2. try to blind steal with some hands when blind is reached 40/80
3. blind stealing is mostly failed and becomes short stacks
4. shove all in and lose


This is the formula that I bust out on middle stage (40/80 or 60/120 or 80/160)

and..(If flash is not worked, use URL below)

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/TexasReplayer.swf?sessionid=73043[/flash]
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/73043

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/TexasReplayer.swf?sessionid=73044[/flash]
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/73044

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/TexasReplayer.swf?sessionid=73045[/flash]
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/73045

Yeah, this is a example. and I think most players are suffered from this formula..

I can't find any problems except one. (shove 76o) and I don't know how to overcome. how can I overcome it? or fix my problems?
 
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WiZZiM

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if the table is full of bad players in the early stage, why would you want to play tight?

Try to not follow a plan, poker is about adapting, not following a set of rules and hoping it will work. Stealing blinds is not what poker is about, it's about getting the other guys chips, and winning tournaments.

There is no quick fix, you just need to start to work on your game, read a book, get some coaching, get a video site subscription, whatever it is, if you want to actually make money, you need to study this game and develop an understanding of what you are doing.

The gameplan above is not enough, not by a long shot.
 
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You need to play the opposite of your opponents.Stealing against a loose player is suicide.Stealing as such invokes you have a weak hand, when you are called by a loose player his weak hand may be stronger than yours, he may have got lucky and hit a good PKT pair and he may be weaker than you and still suck out.
Stealing keeps you from blinding off but is situation and opposition player style dependent.
Steal off the tight players and stay away from the calling stations and loose passives.
Dragthebar is free at the moment, join them they have a truckload off coaching videos.
 
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You need to play the opposite of your opponents.Stealing against a loose player is suicide.Stealing as such invokes you have a weak hand, when you are called by a loose player his weak hand may be stronger than yours, he may have got lucky and hit a good PKT pair and he may be weaker than you and still suck out.
Stealing keeps you from blinding off but is situation and opposition player style dependent.
Steal off the tight players and stay away from the calling stations and loose passives.
Dragthebar is free at the moment, join them they have a truckload off coaching videos.

However, Even if I can distinguish them, I can't against them if they have a huge stack. They press me with big raises and they force me to shove. The problem is, I can't distinguish whether he has Top n% hands or not.

How can I against the player which has big stack?
 
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You should play tight on early stages, observe the game of others. If there are mostly bad players , you should play because in most of cases, you have the better hand against them and you win.
After the blinds go up(50/100)you should only steal from positions, do not steal against a loose player as he will cal you with a wide range of hands.
 
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I watched tournament 1 and 3. A bit too tight/passive, looking at your cards and not the other players.

You made some tight folds that you just can't make in a turbo MTT, the blinds go up too quick - you open folded ATo in LP, easy raise there, and you folded KQ early position more than once where you should have opened imo (in a slower structure it's not a bad fold, in general the faster the structure the faster you should play). When you did get cards your previous tight play plus 3xbb open scared off any action you might have got. open raise smaller once the antes kick in, 2-2.5bb is plenty

When you miss a flop, think if your opponent might have missed it too. Put them on a range of hands and evaluate. Have a bet at more flops and experiment.

There's just so so much to tournament play, as wizzim said you should commit yourself to studying and learning as much as you can :)
 
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IMHO you should get in as many hands as you can cheaply early on, also have good fold discipline.
 
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Play your opponents, seek their weaknesses & abuse it. Play TAG early stages, loosen up a bit mid-bubble & so forth. Play your game
 
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dude you can plaay like this and wait for AA to save you up,somtimes you have to play with crads you have and stop wait for caards which you may not see at all.
 
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bluff less and steal blinds more recently and play tight aggressive but dnt put all in if you dnt hit really good on the flop dnt call with smaller pairs. Dnt play after some one 3-bet and learn to fold strong hands if you miss the flop
 
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I play well and adapt simple , stealing blinds in the early stages is of no use at levels that would serve big blind position and always play with no fear nor pay an allin issues withdraw from a hand where you got a lot of chips
 
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there is no need to take risks as an early stage,it is better to wait a good map!even play with a sober mind
 
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Like fooks said, no need to take risks. Only take risks when you have the absolute nuts.
 
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Like fooks said, no need to take risks. Only take risks when you have the absolute nuts.

I object. I almost always take 60 to 40 edges if I am sure I have that edge, abd in long term it'll pay off. Sometimes I see some players tilting(pushing with weak aces, K9s, etc) so I'll call then with hands like ATo, KQo, which would be a normal fold for me usually. I love when there is a maniac to my right who tries to bully table. I once called one like that with QTo, he had T4s and caught his 4, but still, I know I made the correct play and it's going to pay off in long term. The deeper I am in tourney, the smaller edges I'll push, provided I am sure I have that edge.
 
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the plan is only a starting place. you need to know ur opps and what they are doing or playing. u need to know when to go from tight to loose and back (more importantly against who )and when you have situations where you can pick up free chips
 
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1. play tight on early stage.
2. try to blind steal with some hands when blind is reached 40/80
3. blind stealing is mostly failed and becomes short stacks
4. shove all in and lose


This is the formula that I bust out on middle stage (40/80 or 60/120 or 80/160)

and..(If flash is not worked, use URL below)

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/TexasReplayer.swf?sessionid=73043[/flash]
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/73043

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/TexasReplayer.swf?sessionid=73044[/flash]
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/73044

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/TexasReplayer.swf?sessionid=73045[/flash]
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/73045

Yeah, this is a example. and I think most players are suffered from this formula..

I can't find any problems except one. (shove 76o) and I don't know how to overcome. how can I overcome it? or fix my problems?

on your setp 2, on some tournaments, in this blind size, many people still paying with bad hands, and can put u in trouble.
 
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This sounds like a good strategy I never really studied my play I just play but want to start using some advice. Thanks for the post.
 
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I'd recommend two books, the mental game of poker 1 & 2. Start by getting your mindset tuned to improving and winning. They will also teach you how to review your play and make improvements.

Having a general strategy is a fine place to start, but you need to go further and learn more. Then be ready to adjust based on the situation you are facing.
 
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