Flopping the nuts

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This is a serious question. Do not troll or leave stupid comments here. We don't want you in this thread.

To all of you who CAN take this sort of ridiculous notion seriously...

Can you imagine a scenario where you flop the nuts, are faced with someone covering you shoving you all in and you can find a fold?

My most recent example was 568dd with 79nod in hand checked to two bigger stacks BOTH of which shoved all in.

Without trying to persuade you too much, I'll just state the obvious. Since you have the absolute nuts right now, the absolute worst position you could be in would be a 3 way split. Assuming any of them have even any diamonds, you're up against a freeroll.
 
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Unless you are playing Omaha you NEVER fold the nuts on he flop!!!!!
 
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I hate flopping the nuts in omaha. If I flop a straight, the flush draw always seems to come in. If I flop a flush, the full house seems to come in. Whenever I flop the nuts I seem to lose my stack as I can't help but max raise only to be called by these drawing hands which always seem to hit on the river.
 
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I hate flopping the nuts in omaha. If I flop a straight, the flush draw always seems to come in. If I flop a flush, the full house seems to come in. Whenever I flop the nuts I seem to lose my stack as I can't help but max raise only to be called by these drawing hands which always seem to hit on the river.

Best to wait to get the money in until all the cards are out in Omaha! Either that or get the money in and pray!
 
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the nuts on the flop - a simple call. Even if you move, at a distance it is a profitable game.
 
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I like to check and get poeple to put the money in there willing to lose, better the. Betting and getting a fold, flopping the nuts happens what 1-2 times a tournament if that
 
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think about your image

Not sure if you intended, but this might actually be really helpful advice.

In this example, I had 79o, which I got in for free on the BB. But it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for me to be in a raised pot or even being the idiot raising with such a hand. I try to get the dumb people to think I'm an ATC bingo donke y moron, since I can miss my ace high (or even worse) draws and still win at showdown. The slightly smarter people realizing I'm just "mixing it up" and "balancing" and can find it hard to put me on a range.

So against either opponent my image dictates a range that can be "nearly" anything from AA to 79o. Also, checking OOP here seems to almost always confuse them into thinking I'm weak which gets me action WHICH I WANT. But, based on outcome experience, I'd prefer if they put in 1/3rd of their stack and when back to me I shoved (playing my hand face up) and got them to fold. Especially against a four flush, I don't really want the draws in there.

This is a STRONG departure from my play from 2001-2011. I BEGGED for opportunities to GIIG even as small of a favorite as 60/40 because it was a winning proposition often enough. I used to joke that I was basically a pro at winning flips (since it seemed that way). Back then, I can't recall even once considering folding the nuts on the flop. On most any site, but particularly pokerstars and Full Tilt where I spent most of my time, I hardly ever had or even saw a 98% winner take a loss. I can count on one hand the number of times that the miracle runner runner came home. And I'm talking about where it has to be EXACTLY the Qs and Js, not where AA vs AA has to dodge running hearts on the freeroll. Yet, this nonsense has happened to more than 5 times in the past week. And I'm not even playing that many hands, really, since I (almost) never muti-table.
 
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I can't imagine folding the nuts, even with two callers ahead of you that both have you covered. That's a dream scenario, and yea you might get outdrawn, but at least you got it in good.

Are you saying there were only 2 diamonds on the board or was the flop all diamonds?
 
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I can't imagine folding the nuts, even with two callers ahead of you that both have you covered. That's a dream scenario, and yea you might get outdrawn, but at least you got it in good.

Are you saying there were only 2 diamonds on the board or was the flop all diamonds?

This has happened so often this month, I had to remind myself which time this was. The 568 board when I had 79 had 2 diamonds. I think it was the 6 and 8, if it matters. If there were three diamonds on the flop, I might have been able to find a fold.
 
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Yet, this nonsense has happened to more than 5 times in the past week. And I'm not even playing that many hands, really, since I (almost) never muti-table.

I thought you requested for no stupid comments here?

Is this just another post looking to sway towards the riggtard stuff?
 
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Couldnt Fold

Personally, I completely understand the question. My answer is No, I would not be able to fold the nuts. in PLO perhaps, but not in Holdem.
 
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Never fold the nuts. Slow play, bet, raise, call. Never fold, ever.
 
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Just happened to fast I didn't get a chance to screenshot it. Had QQ on a Q high board and was first to act against two super loose donkeys so I bet 2/3rd pot and then clicked back over here to continue reading wondering of they were both folding. They both went all in. The first had A3 and needed the 5 for a wheel. The second had case Q with 10 and was drawing dead. So, yeah, the 5 came giving him 5x as many chips as me and I end up shoving my AKs aipf next hand and don't even know how I lost because I was typing this and the table was closed after I lost, apparently.
 
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if you flop the nuts on the need to play more aggressively to win the maximum part of your opponent's stack or your entire stack .
 
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I hate flopping the nuts in omaha. If I flop a straight, the flush draw always seems to come in. If I flop a flush, the full house seems to come in. Whenever I flop the nuts I seem to lose my stack as I can't help but max raise only to be called by these drawing hands which always seem to hit on the river.
Same here I really hate flopping the nuts in Omaha
 
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If it's a tourney (especially if it's a big one), Mike the Mouth used to say you should have the discipline to play small pot poker if you wanna last...
Small pot poker will always have a higher chance of finishing consistently deeper...
 
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