HUD's or no HUD's

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What do you guys think of HUDs when it comes to online poker? Do you like them or dislike them? Me personally I don't like them I think it kind of affects the integrity of the game. I'm a high believer that the beauty of poker is the mystery and unpredictability of the game. Therefore sites like Bovada and ignition are anonymous. Other sites allow you to use them I don't use them but I've beaten people without them.
 
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To Hud or Not To Hud. There are pros and cons to this subject. I got Poker Tracker 4. There is a wealth of information to be had with using this bad boy. At the same time it clutters up the screen. If you are a serious player and the only reason that you are playing is to make money then the Hud is a necessary tool to have in your arsenal. The best thing in it for me is the leak tracker to help me improve my game. I treat it as a coach to help me see what is wrong to improve my game. I don't really care for the stats on my opponents other than the VPIP. So, for me it is a good thing as long as I keep it simple.
 
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I would agree HUD can be a useful tool grinding a large number of tables (4+) and allow user to analyze their play after a session. The latter condition would apply to Bovada\Ignition Casino to allow you to review your own player.


I use HUD on the site to support them. However, I can play without one have needed such as Global Poker.


I would agree most players (below high stake grinders) should use HUD with only essential stat (VPIP/ PRF, 3Bet, Fold to 3Bet).


I feel players can win without HUD if they pay attention to table play and take good notes.
 
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I only use my ability to play, I don't think the game would be so interesting for me if I used HUD
 
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What do you guys think of HUDs when it comes to online poker? Do you like them or dislike them? Me personally I don't like them I think it kind of affects the integrity of the game. I'm a high believer that the beauty of poker is the mystery and unpredictability of the game. Therefore sites like Bovada and ignition are anonymous. Other sites allow you to use them I don't use them but I've beaten people without them.

Hud gives important information to the opponent, in poker any information is a tool for a good game. I think if there is such an opportunity, it is stupid not to use this additional tool. :jd4::):jd4:
 
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HUD is necessary. Without it you are handicapping yourself. It gives so much useful information and you have to assume opponents are using one versus you. So it isn't a great idea to put yourself at a disadvantage. Information is king.
 
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I don't use any kind of tracker.
I don't like the idea.
Why can't we keep poker as poker. Online, off line, Live,....
Why do we play with different rules and levels of acceptance?
In my opinion, I view trackers as a form of cheating. By using a computer program to learn and keep track of how your opponents play instead of keeping track in your own head?
In live poker this would be equivalent to keeping a few advisors standing with you to remind you how someone has been playing. Obviously this would never be allowed to happen at any live game anywhere. But somehow we seam to accept the same level of cheating to be part of online poker. Why?
 
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Therefore sites like Bovada and ignition are anonymous.


Anonymous tables do not exactly bring online poker closer to the live poker experience. Its like a casino forcing all players to wear a burka and then also not talk during the game to avoid voice recognicion. Cant imagine such a game would be very popular. As for HUDs yes I use one (PT4), and I consider it a valuable tool. If someone dont like, they can play on sites, that dont allow it. This discussion is almost as old as online poker itself, and its going in circles :)
 
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I also think that HUD's spoil the game, you need to be able to use your brain, your memory.
When you play 1-2 tables at the same time, you can play without HUD's, you can remember the players at the table yourself, who plays how.
But when you play a lot of tables at the same time, there is no way to do without a computer assistant, it is impossible to remember all the players who play at 20 tables.
 
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A HUD is definitely needed if you want to play poker professionally and play a lot of tables, if you play 1-2 tables not regularly, then it is not needed, it will be enough just to put notes on your opponents
 
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Using auxiliary software helps someone who plays at many tables, but I think it would also be fair for no one to use it or if they did then it should be made available to everyone through online sites (FREE) but that’s impossible because poker auxiliary software sales are big business.
 
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I rather have more information than less information and I think HUDs have helped catch a ton of cheaters.
 
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HUD can be helpful but if you dont know what your looking at they could be a dangerous tool. Many people will read a HUD and believe the stats are gospel. Well if you have not seen them in a while they maybe playing a different way this time. Also some stats take thousands of hands the]]o truly give you good information.
 
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I like huds as it allows me to turn online poker into more of a volume game which is very useful, and it is easier to improve with a hud. Im sure it scares lots of fish away though.
 
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HUD can be helpful but if you dont know what your looking at they could be a dangerous tool. Many people will read a HUD and believe the stats are gospel. Well if you have not seen them in a while they maybe playing a different way this time. Also some stats take thousands of hands the]]o truly give you good information.

That's what I been saying as well. Just because there stats say one thing doesn't mean that's how they play. Players do adjust a lot. That can be deceiving.
 
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That's what I been saying as well. Just because there stats say one thing doesn't mean that's how they play. Players do adjust a lot. That can be deceiving.

True but exactly the same is the case with reads gathered in a manual way. Maybe you have seen someone make a very small river bet with second pair and taken a note on it. But maybe next time they are doing it with the nuts to induce a raise. Or they are doing it with 8 high to try to steal the pot for cheap.

Even though I always have my HUD running, very few decisions are actually based on the information, it provides. But if I have good solid information, then why not use it? Lets say, I have 150 hands on someone, and their VPIP over that sample is 28%, but their PFR is only 4%. That means, they have been doing a ton of limping or cold calling, but now they suddenly raise to 5BB from UTG.

Then I am not going to give them action the same way I would someone, who have been playing VPIP 58% / PFR 34%. Against that person I am probably 3-betting AJ for value with intentions to get it in, if he come back over the top. But against the VPIP 28% / PFR 4% I will just fold AJ and get out of his way.

Any kind of exploitative poker is based on making assumptions, that someone is unbalanced in one way or another and then adjust to that inbalance. And of course sometimes we are going to be wrong. Sometimes the PFR 34% will actually have pocket kings, because he is at the very top of his range.

And sometimes the PFR 4% guy will be going crazy with some random hand, because he suffered a bad beat on another table, and now he is on tilt. Or he took a toilet break and handed over the computer to his 11 year old son. But poker is about the long term and averages, and in the long run I am confident, that its way more profitable to take AJ to the felt against the PFR 34% guy than the PFR 4% guy. And this is why, I find a HUD usefull.
 
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What do you guys think of HUDs


So basically the answer is yes HUDS give you more advantage over the field of players because poker is a game of information and HUDS give you the information, information on your opponents past play. I believe that is a huge advantage online.
 
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