Flopzilla and hand Reading

[paulw]

hi there,

I have learned the very basics of hand reading with flopzilla and the more i do with my database of gone to showdown with HM2 and flopzilla the quicker I am getting at working a hand range out, I have been at it now for 2 weeks trying a few hands per night and on average the first week it was taking me @20/30 mins per hand range ,now @ 15/20 mins per hand.

On Friday nights I play a regular live game in a casino £37/£30 re-enty with £3500 gtd which has a good standard of play.

Now I have been playing online and live poker for many years now, I seem to be ahead of the online satellites, but when it comes to online and live tornys I am well behind, now all this time I have like most other players been playing my own hands and not thinking in detail about my opponents hands, this is where I hope someone can give me a helping hand,
I have taken the first steps to try to learn the art of hand reading and I am enjoying trying to learn but I am only of possibly below average intelligence lol and finding I can actually read50/ 70% of the ranges I am studying gives me a massive boost, but it takes me so long to do just 1 hand with flopzilla, now I know I am just starting but trying to put the last 2 weeks work that I have done into practice in my local live game Friday gone was a non starter, 15 mins with flopzilla and 1 minute to do it live seems and was impossible for me,

I can see now that people that can read hands has a massive advantage over the probably 98%of other lower stakes players that cannot, and I my long time goal is to be one of those 2%

So my question is to anyone that has put the time and effort into this is how long before you could play live or online and start to make any kind of progress, I know for a fact my passion for poker will carry me through the learning and studying part of it but I dont know if I have the capacity to take it all in and put into practice with in a 1 minute situation,

I have done my research online with flopzilla hand reading videos these seemed to get me started with the basics but to be truthful a lot of the videos I could not take in

any help or views would be gratefully appreciated
thanks and GL at the tables
Paul

 

[MemphisGrind]

hi there,

I have learned the very basics of hand reading with flopzilla and the more i do with my database of gone to showdown with HM2 and flopzilla the quicker I am getting at working a hand range out, I have been at it now for 2 weeks trying a few hands per night and on average the first week it was taking me @20/30 mins per hand range ,now @ 15/20 mins per hand.

On Friday nights I play a regular live game in a casino £37/£30 re-enty with £3500 gtd which has a good standard of play.

Now I have been playing online and live poker for many years now, I seem to be ahead of the online satellites, but when it comes to online and live tornys I am well behind, now all this time I have like most other players been playing my own hands and not thinking in detail about my opponents hands, this is where I hope someone can give me a helping hand,
I have taken the first steps to try to learn the art of hand reading and I am enjoying trying to learn but I am only of possibly below average intelligence lol and finding I can actually read50/ 70% of the ranges I am studying gives me a massive boost, but it takes me so long to do just 1 hand with flopzilla, now I know I am just starting but trying to put the last 2 weeks work that I have done into practice in my local live game Friday gone was a non starter, 15 mins with flopzilla and 1 minute to do it live seems and was impossible for me,

I can see now that people that can read hands has a massive advantage over the probably 98%of other lower stakes players that cannot, and I my long time goal is to be one of those 2%

So my question is to anyone that has put the time and effort into this is how long before you could play live or online and start to make any kind of progress, I know for a fact my passion for poker will carry me through the learning and studying part of it but I dont know if I have the capacity to take it all in and put into practice with in a 1 minute situation,

I have done my research online with flopzilla hand reading videos these seemed to get me started with the basics but to be truthful a lot of the videos I could not take in

any help or views would be gratefully appreciated
thanks and GL at the tables
Paul

You're on the right track. There is SO much that goes into this game. Flopzilla is a great tool, and will help you kind of like push/fold charts. You don't have time to look at them during live games most time, but you should have the information memorized and understand how and when it applies. Keep running through it and get to the point where the information is natural too you. Applying ranges can be tricky and will be incorrect sometimes, but rinse and repeat is the way to go. Force yourself to develop ranges while you play and focus on the times you are wrong, keep narrowing that down as to why you were wrong. Partner that with the work you are already putting in with the tools available and you will start to become better at it overtime. I don't think anyone will ever get it 100% because of the constant evolving of the game that happens. Someone is always trying to figure out what the next guy is learning so to apply that to their game to be ahead of the curve. However we can hone our skills and be the best we can be at our craft. I wish you good luck.

 

[okeedokalee]

A site called poker in a box appears to be good at explaining ranges in detail.
Check it out, as you are a serious player, I think you will gain from what they teach.
I've dug around the free stuff, and gained valuable insight.

 

[paulw]

Thanks for the help guys,


Memphis at the moment I am putting @ 3 hours or so a day in, after 3 or 4 weeks now I seem to have a problem finding decent gone to showdown from my HM 2 database, the problem is, I am a satellite player trying to learn Tournament play so My database is full of aggression play from playing smaller field satts,

If i can explain my players that I have will probably average 32/25/10 where as a tourny player will average @20/15/6, there seems to big a difference
.
Might try poker stars Sunday million face up replays on you tube give that a go.



Okeed

Thats an intesting site thanks