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FrothyGoodness
Visionary
Silver Level
Lol I mean I guess it depends on your area and what tables they consistently have. I know players that are well into the millions and play 1/2 throughout the week because no real games open up until the weekends. Overall Id prob say the average are between 25-50k salary.
SPANKYSN
Legend
Bronze Level
It depends on how often one plays as well as how often they can find the time to go to a casino. I live about 1½ hours from Seneca Niagara in Niagara Falls New York. I go about 4 times a year. I play $1-2, with an occasional $70 buy-in daily tournament. Disposable income is the key...what can you afford to lose, so that it does not affect your life? Salary doesn't enter into the equation for me...I'm unemployed (a fancy word for it is "Retired!").
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xxgsaint5501xx
Rock Star
Silver Level
Jillychemung
Stacks & Stacks
Loyaler
861 hours enough of a sample size? And I'm not even saying I am good. I'm saying that players that do very well can get $25/hr.
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HobokenNJ
Rock Star
Silver Level
Blackrain79 mentions a $20/hr rate for $1/$2 live in this article: https://www.blackrain79.com/2018/06/good-poker-hourly-rate.html
He cautions, though: "I need to be very clear here that only a tiny percentage of people will ever even make it to the mid or high stakes games, let alone become one of the biggest winners in them."
He cautions, though: "I need to be very clear here that only a tiny percentage of people will ever even make it to the mid or high stakes games, let alone become one of the biggest winners in them."
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xxgsaint5501xx
Rock Star
Silver Level
Your sample size is way too small to be considered statistically significant. I have a sample size of over 15,000 hours and my win rate is $15.12. My best year was 2005, at the height of the poker boom, with 875 hours and rate of $18.61. I informally polled a group of 10 semi-professional poker playing friends and the win rates at 1/2 live ranged from $12-$16. This group includes a friend who has a wsop bracelet. If you truly are confident in your potentially flawed win rate, I would take your obvious enormous talents to the 2/5 game immediately. IMO your current rate is as a result of one of three things 1) you are a poker prodigy like Tom Dwan and Phil Ivey were (unlikely) or 2) you play in the softest 1/2 game(s) on the planet (possible) or 3) you have been experiencing the positive side of variance over a small sample size (highly likely). Please post your number when you have a sample size of at least 2000 hours.
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xxgsaint5501xx
Rock Star
Silver Level
$20 is not $25. The difference is huge. With the current rake structure in most live 1/2 games including the jackpot/promotion drops, I still have a hard time believing that 20 is sustainable over the long term.
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xxgsaint5501xx
Rock Star
Silver Level
Besides you played only 861 hours over a period of just under 5 years. That averages to about 172 hours per year. or less than 15 hours month. If I had your obvious skills, I would be playing as often as possible at the highest possible limits. Don't you like money?
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c0rnBr34d
Visionary
Silver Level
Yea it's pretty much impossible to know. The rule of thumb is that if you're beating the game for 10 BB / hour you're crushing and very rare. I do believe there are a number of people like Jilly who only play nights and weekends in favorable games and surpass this. No one really knows what the cap is but over $20/hr sustained at 1/2 is crushing. Of course the more volume you put in the more likely you are to run into tougher tables during the weekdays and daytime hours where most of the games are grinders / regs /pros / etc. For what it's worth, I have 1239 of part time hours logged at 1/2 since 2014 when I started tracking and my current rate is $27.17 / hr. If I filter for the last 365 days of 1/2 I have 63 hours at $57/hr. Again, for a part time rec player logging 400 ish hours a year it's impossible to ever really tell. I'm no pro but at a 1/2 table I usually feel like I'm one of the stronger players at the table. I play mostly 2/5 the last two years but still play 1/2 as well. I'm sure I'm a much better player now than I was in 2014 or even 2016 but I honestly can't say for sure if I were to play full time that I would expect to maintain 14 BB /hr or not. Hope that helps.
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c0rnBr34d
Visionary
Silver Level
I also believe this is true. The original question was the average. And I also agree the average player is net negative and loosing long term. To win at all you have to be above average enough to account for the other players at the table and the rake the casino takes from the pot. So we are really having several conversations here, average player, average winner, average crusher? Take your pick.
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ekgbeat
Legend
Bronze Level
What App is this, and is it free?
What do you use to track your 15K hours, and can post the results here?
Jillychemung
Stacks & Stacks
Loyaler
LeeCallaghan
Visionary
Silver Level
Well I'm not very good because I live in Topeka, KS. lol We have a local casino about 20-25 mins for my house but.... The old timers want to play Stud or Omaho. Screw that, plus They have Tournament but 1 or 2 times in NL/a week. I play and I got 4th or 5th and like 30th (no profit)
the buy in is like 50$ or 45$. Sorry but for my experience in local casino are awful.
the buy in is like 50$ or 45$. Sorry but for my experience in local casino are awful.
fishfood80
Rock Star
Silver Level
If your grinding 5 days a week 8-10 hour days at 1-2 you should definitely move up to 2-5 soon. The variance at 1-2 is a killer add in the rake and you'll be hard pressed to be making above minimum wage. I mean one day you could pull in 5-6 hundred bucks profit then get slaughtered the next by a mad man with deep pockets having a grand old time playing like it's slots. Of course there's gonna be crazies at any stakes (which are your bread and butter btw) but 1-2 isn't where you wanna stay.
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ekgbeat
Legend
Bronze Level
RimworldDoctor
Rock Star
Silver Level
That's the best time to start your poker career
My grandpa used to play on poker stars every day growing up before it got banned in the U.S. It was a lot of fun to sit and watch him play. Props to you for playing live. I'm a little nervous to do that personally.