Was playing a live game and one of the players (pocket kings) called all in out of turn after the flop. Then tried to retract it when they realized another player was going all in (probably with aces paired from flop), she asked if she could recant the all in, the dealer said no, long story short, I called assuming she didn't have a better hand than my two pair aces and jacks and she got me on the river with a straight. Damn I think I might have folded if she hadn't done that, oh well.

There are peoples who declare all in to check the player’s reaction and, seeing the reaction, they can immediately say that they were mistaken or changed their minds. But here seems to be not this case. Just unlucky with the river...

Answer out of turn is a big problem in live poker. I see it every live game. But I think it's not honest if you just want to check reaction. I think if you say something out of turn you can't change decision. And it's your problem if it's not your turn Be not out of turn!

I believe that the local poker rules apply, which means that the rules may not be uniform.

Originally Posted by lablelarry

Was playing a live game and one of the players (pocket kings) called all in out of turn after the flop. Then tried to retract it when they realized another player was going all in (probably with aces paired from flop), she asked if she could recant the all in, the dealer said no, long story short, I called assuming she didn't have a better hand than my two pair aces and jacks and she got me on the river with a straight. Damn I think I might have folded if she hadn't done that, oh well.

In the room I play in regularly if this happens then the verbal is binding if the action does not change.

So player in late position announces "all-in" whether joking or they are just excited about their hand. They are bound to that action if the action before them does not change.

In other words if the action has been checked and there are 2 players to act yet and the excited player announces "all-in" then if the 2 players check the all-in player must move all-in. If one of the 2 players bets then the all-in announcer has the option to change their decision.

It is a little weird but it cuts down on angle shooting.

You made the right decision at the time you made it.

Good luck !

Good rules make a good game. Small games with inexperienced players and bigger games with inebriated players will have a few things happen here and there. Like you did, play your cards accordingly.

Originally Posted by lablelarry

Was playing a live game and one of the players (pocket kings) called all in out of turn after the flop. Then tried to retract it when they realized another player was going all in (probably with aces paired from flop), she asked if she could recant the all in, the dealer said no, long story short, I called assuming she didn't have a better hand than my two pair aces and jacks and she got me on the river with a straight. Damn I think I might have folded if she hadn't done that, oh well.

Was this at a casino? As Poker Mike stated, in every casino I've played at, if the action changes in front of you then the out of turn player is not bound by the previously out of turn action. Unless she did not see the initial player was already all in when she announced all in, in that case she would be bound to put the chips in. But if she announced all in first then someone in front of her jammed all in she is not bound to go all in or call in any room I've played in. Curious to know where this occurred.

Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d

Was this at a casino? As Poker Mike stated, in every casino I've played at, if the action changes in front of you then the out of turn player is not bound by the previously out of turn action. Unless she did not see the initial player was already all in when she announced all in, in that case she would be bound to put the chips in. But if she announced all in first then someone in front of her jammed all in she is not bound to go all in or call in any room I've played in. Curious to know where this occurred.

at a poker group in my area (supposed to be friendly) but there is prizing, so bit more serious (volunteer dealers)

Originally Posted by lablelarry

at a poker group in my area (supposed to be friendly) but there is prizing, so bit more serious (volunteer dealers)

Ok, that makes a little more sense. Sucks that the bad ruling ended up costing you money. You might want to see if they have some written rules somewhere or ask about some of these spots so you know in advance. Many times, even in a casino, you can get different answers depending on the dealer or floor person you ask (unfortunately). This one should have been more clear cut in my opinion though.

Just to clarify, he didn't force me to go all in, I only went all in because she wanted to back out indicating I had the better hand (til the river ) lol

Originally Posted by lablelarry

Just to clarify, he didn't force me to go all in, I only went all in because she wanted to back out indicating I had the better hand (til the river ) lol

This is how I read it. It was a 3 way all in?
1 - Ms KK announces all in out of turn.
2 - Fish jams Ax or pair plus gutter in front of her.
3 - Lady is forced to jam anyway.
4 - Hero figures KK is weak and calls with 2 pair.
5 - KK gets there OTR.

Why would we ever consider folding flop? What was the action pre flop? Maybe if the flop was AQJ and there was a lot of action pre flop and two players all in we can fold. But in a single raised pot if the flop is AJ4 I'm getting the money in.

Originally Posted by Poker_Mike

In the room I play in regularly if this happens then the verbal is binding if the action does not change.

So player in late position announces "all-in" whether joking or they are just excited about their hand. They are bound to that action if the action before them does not change.

In other words if the action has been checked and there are 2 players to act yet and the excited player announces "all-in" then if the 2 players check the all-in player must move all-in. If one of the 2 players bets then the all-in announcer has the option to change their decision.

It is a little weird but it cuts down on angle shooting.

You made the right decision at the time you made it.

Good luck !

Agree here. Everywhere I have played that this has happened, this was the result. I don't see it a lot however, so I wouldn't bet that this was the rule everywhere.

Was the pocket K player in seat 1 with the initial all in somewhere at the end of the table and the all in call in seat 10? Very often seat 10 is visually obstructed by the dealer from seats 1-3 and it causes lots of out of turn situations especially if seat 10 doesn't have his/her cards placed clearly in front of him/her. This is mentioned in the 1/2 guide by Jillychemung here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/lear...e-cash-204657/