Looking for opinions

[try2stopme]

This guy hosts a weekly tournament out of his house,lol ok that guy is me Ill admit it.The point though lets say I offer to buy you in cause you dont have the money to play.The deal is if you win we split the winnings and if you lose you dont owe me a dime good odds for anyone I would say.Heres the problem it was never discussed before the start of the game,but thers a continuous straight flush jackpot!That player just so happen to hit that straight flush jackpot that night(what a lucky player).At the end of the night he took 2nd place and the money was split.When I asked for my half of the straight flush jackpot all @#$% broke loose.Theres my qeustion should the straight flush jackpot be split??

 

[Debi]

That is a tricky one. It should have been discussed when the offer was made to cover the buy-in. If you only said that if he finishes in the money then he splits that with you - then you didn't cover splitting the jackpot and technically you can't really press the issue. If you said that he splits any money won - then he should give you half.

Anyway - I am sure the lesson has been learned - cover it all up front to avoid controversy.

 

[beardyian]

Agree with dakota here - always cover any possible out come really.

Any disagreement would and could have been sorted before the game that way everyone knows where they stand and all is well when the game ends.

Money can make people go funny at times so its better to be safe than sorry

 

[mixmaster_matt]

If you didn't discuss the jackpot then you should only expect to get the winnings from him making the money. As a good jesture he could have given you some of the money from the jackpot, but he shouldn't be obliged to give it to you.

 

[robwhufc]

If you didn't discuss the jackpot then you should only expect to get the winnings from him making the money. As a good jesture he could have given you some of the money from the jackpot, but he shouldn't be obliged to give it to you.

My take on it too - i'd have given you half of everything, but your initial deal would appear to be for the prize money for the game. Shame the guy is such a jerk, but that's up to him.

 

[dj11]

Since he won that jackpot at your table, with your buyin, and your cards, he should split. My guess is that in a court of law the judge would see it that way, and interpret him as an employee (shill).

That said. If you liked what he added to your weekly tournament, and wanted him back, it might have been a nice gesture to let him have the jackpot. Consider it a tip.

 

[muddawgg]

looking for opinions

you would never have won the jack pot if you were at home.. i would share both if it was me

 

[roundcat]

The deal is if you win we split the winnings and if you lose you dont owe me a dime

The jackpot is winnings, and therefore should have been split.

 

[gord962]

I wouldn't be paying this person's entry ever again, I can tell you that!! Although if previously discussed I'm sure that this could be negotiated either way. Since it wasn't, it's your tourney, and you staked him I think there is a moral obligation for him to pay you a portion of this. Maybe 25% would be a friendly gesture and would smooth the issue over???

 

[try2stopme]

I appreciate the replies and the voting I also thought something would have been a friendly gesture especially after putting out his buy in,and indeed had it been thought of before the game i would have definately told him if he hit the 1200 and some odd dollar pot that i want a portion of that just never thought of him actually hitting it ,and not to mention i had a house full.The pot had been going for months!Just to let you all know he hasnt played at my house since.Some thinks it is bad sportsmanship on my part I think it is not wanting to feel taken advantage of again!

 

[Mojomax747]

He most definitely sounds like a taker and not a giver.
He turns up without the buy-in hoping for a stake and walks away with 1200 plus for his troubles.
It sounds to me like you were lucky he even split his prize money with you.
A very good candidate for "FREEROLL WHORE OF THE YEAR" in my opinion.

Sorry for being harsh but thats how i see this one.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

obviously the only solution is to play him HU for the jackpot money

 

[entoaggie09]

I think it should have been split, but at least with the halved 2nd place money, you got back the amount that you staked him with, right? As long as you didn't lose money, at least it could have been worse.

 

[pokernut]

Well I voted no because it doesn't look like the jackpot was ever discussed. In your deal it really looks like ITM finish is what is split.

I agree that he should have split everything with you. I would have been pissed if I were you, but I don't think he's required to do so with how your stake looked to be set up.

Be sure to cover all bases next time.

 

[brutus]

if it was worded "winnings" then he should have given you half, if it was "ITM" he should still give you a split. sounds like a real jerk and id be glad he hasnt been back.

 

[arkadiy]

He should give you half. You are the reason he won it. End of story.

 

[__THIEF__]

He should split , He is playing on your money, The fact that you had the heart to even stake the player says it all. Who in there right mind (unless your a greedy teenager) wouldnt split all the winnings knowing that they made a heeb of money playing on some1 elses dime is obviously not a poker player nor has any class period. I am a loyal meber of neverbeg.com, Which is an official staking site, And ive made some people quite a bit of money, and i would b glad 2 split any prize money accumulated in a league/jackpot pool knowing i wouldnt have made the money otherwise. Im sorry 2 hear that some1 would even bother causing a fuss over such a thing .. But thats my oppinion. GL 2 u and any future players you might "Float" the buy in to..If that so called person didnt ruin it for you.

 

[ShouldaWoulda]

As host to many a home game, weekly for last 20 years, I'll say that:

a) He the player was not required too split the jackpot.

b) Your willingness to back these players is to keep your paying customers happy.

c) You should not back players, it sacrifices the integrity of play for the paying customers.

d) You should not even lend money. I've seen many friendships destroyed at a poker table over a $100.00 loan.

My story, explanation. We were palying cash games, and I would occasionally "back" a player, everybody was aware and had no problems with it. New player starts to play regularly, and comments that me losing to "backed" player screws with the odds for other players, because any loss to "backed" player will get me back half my bets, and "backed" player plays looser cuz she had nothing to lose. Everyone jumped on his bandwagon and that had to stop. Instead, I started lending money, not backing. The list got long, as I kept it on paper. I could go on, but the moral of the story is, "if you can't pay, you can't play!". The weekly game has now turned into quarterly (4x/yr.).

 

[stormswa]

the deal was for the tourney only not any extra so you get half the tourney money only. I dont see why this should be debated actually, look at your agreement, you bought him in and were to split 1/2 the prize money he won FROM TOURNEY , there was no where in agreement that said anything about any extra money that could possibly be won.

 

[Crummy]

I'd look at the guy and say "Hey if it wasn't for me buying you in, you wouldn't have won so hand over half or we will throw down lol"~!! No really though do it as they do in tournaments, online, and casino's, split the jackpot with everybody on the table like this:

60% goes to the player that makes a Straight Flush
30% is used to seed the next Jackpot
10% evenly split between the other Players who actively participated in the hand


*Note, a good thing to do if you hold regular tournaments is get a nice stand up dry erase board and post all of the rules, or print out something nice and post it in the rooms so everybody knows them before hand.

 

[stormswa]

I'd look at the guy and say "Hey if it wasn't for me buying you in, you wouldn't have won so hand over half or we will throw down lol"~!! No really though do it as they do in tournaments, online, and casino's, split the jackpot with everybody on the table like this:

60% goes to the player that makes a Straight Flush
30% is used to seed the next Jackpot
10% evenly split between the other Players who actively participated in the hand


*Note, a good thing to do if you hold regular tournaments is get a nice stand up dry erase board and post all of the rules, or print out something nice and post it in the rooms so everybody knows them before hand.

this confuses me real bad.

we are talking about a agreement between backer and backee not a the rest of the table. What do they have to do with this?

back to the question though, how are you going to change a agreement after the fact.

so lets say you bought a guy into a tourney for say $100 and gave him a extra $5 because you didnt have change and told him dont worry about it. Now lets say on the way home he buys a $5 lottery ticket and hits for 36 million do you think you deserve 18 million now because you gave him a extra $5?

 

[try2stopme]

crummy excellent reply!I dont think the pot was even thought of when the deal was made,but this pot had been growing for months I really wish i had it to do over I would have worded winnings different!You guys have had some great replies here and i thank you for it.Let me do say though that this pot was astonishingly high for our game.The pot was made up of 1dollar from everyones buy in went to the pot.We played multiple times through the week but had to be 8 or more players to be able to get the pot,and i has a contact list were that anyone that had even contributed 1 dollar to the pot was called and informed of a game that wasnt sceduled on our regular friday and saturday night games
Let me do say though if i were the one who had been spotted the money for playing at a minimum I would have given my backer something for making it possible for me to win 12 times what 1st place was gonna take.
Well with all that said thx again guys i can see it is as debated here as it was at my house

 

[Mojomax747]

Maybe if you continue with this jackpot thing you might want to keep a record of how many times each individual puts in a dollar to the pot and pay out jackpot winnings accordingly.
After all, im not sure it would go down well with everyone if Mr."Brand new,first visit" takes it down and never returns.
Its time for a new set of rules for sure but dont over complicate them or make to many as this can sometimes be off putting.
Shuffle up and deal and good luck.

 

[try2stopme]

Yes you bring up a very good point and me and a close friend was the main ones doing everything and we got our regulars which was bout 12 guys together and we all discussed and agreeed that it would be a good way to bring extra players to the table which was one of the biggest reasons i ever got myself in the mess to begin with.

 

[arkadiy]

You know what you should do? Play a quick game of heads up for it ^^