when to fold kings preflop

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i always have a tough time folding kings and usually run into aces..anyone know if this happens alot to others?what do u do:confused:
 
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A's get cracked so of course K's get cracked. There are certainly times post flop when laying down K's is the sensible thing to do, but pre flop, why?
 
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There are very few instances when it's OK to fold K/K.
The odds of getting someone having A/A when you have K/K is about 220/1. That is, there is less than a half-percent chance. It would take a massive read to figure out that someone had A/A.

In a ring game it's almost never appropriate. Maybe if you see two rocks making big moves against each other you can get away from that hand, but otherwise no.

In a tournament setting, you might fold if you're a micro stack, on the bubble, and several big stacks seem to be duking it out.



Now, post flop, running into aces sucks. They call K/K "Ace Magnets" for a reason.
I'll usually make a continuation bet if I'm first to act, but fold to any challenge (because I should have bet enough early that I'm not going to be called by a hand that I can now beat).
 
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I have to agree with Kenzie--its hard to dump K's preflop. Sometimes you have to go with your gut. If you fold you can always play another hand.If you go for it you could double up or go home. Good luck.
 
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The adage of NEVER folding KK pre-flop is really incorrect. Lets forget about the bubble/sat bubble/final table situations. Folding any hand preflop except for AA always must come into context.

Folding KK preflop when your 20bb deep is obviously a big no no. Personally if i was 500bb deep i'd almost never play for stacks with KK preflop. Its just a matter of finding the cutoff point.
 
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I wouldnt fold KK preflop
 
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The odds of getting someone having A/A when you have K/K is about 220/1.


Wouldn't that be if you were heads up?
At a full table (9 players) wouldn't the odds of someone having AA when you have KK be 9 times more likely?

Edit: As for folding KK preflop, i cant see myself doing it unless the stacks were really really deep.
 
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You have to make sure the game your playing is with really good players, where money matters, and they won't raise all in with 10 3 and crap like that.

Also, you'd really have to feel like your playing good to be sure on a read of AA.
 
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Wouldn't that be if you were heads up?
At a full table (9 players) wouldn't the odds of someone having AA when you have KK be 9 times more likely?

Yeah, you're right.
 
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maybe to an Early Position big reraise. tough to say.......honestly I've never folded cowboys pre-flop, but folded em plenty post flop.

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As always in poker, it depends on the situation. It depends on position, player stacks, player image, etc...
You re gonna be ahead with KK at least 99 percent of the time. But one situation where i can see myself folding kings is when i,m 2nd in chips, playing a massive pot against the chipleader on the bubble. If i get 6-bet preflop at that stage, im definitely folding kings. The chipleader is unlikely to have a non premium hand there, and even when he is behind, and even if he decides to call all in with a weaker hand like QQ or AK, he can still win the hand. It not worth to lose all your chips at that stage with only one pair when ur at the top of the leaderboard. Youll have plenty of time left playing big pots later in the tournament with less risk.
 
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I make Huge raise. If reraise me - all in. If call - deep thinking on flop) Better all in preflop.
 
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