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Theoretically speaking, when are we value betting? Is it when our range has more than 50% equity against our opponent, or is it when our range is currently ahead of our opponent? I mean, sometimes on the flop, you can be currently ahead but has less than 50% equity.
I assume value betting means betting when our range is currently ahead of our opponent.
In general value betting is considered betting (on the river?) when you believe you have the best hand. However, that's betting in general.
If I'm value betting, I'm making a bet that is trying to price an opponent into calling when he has a weaker hand.
Lets say I flopped bottom set, on an A high board, led out on the flop, checked and called 3/4 pot bet on the turn. The river is makes no flushes or straights, I might assume my opponent has an ace, 2 pair or air. If I think hes has 2 pair I might bet the pot expecting a call. If he has Ace high I might bet 3/4 pot.
In my experience a lot of players will call a min raise with air just to see what you have. So if you can get someone with 9high to call, its a pretty good value bet. (Dont give any info away you dont want to.)
I think value bet is the bet we make , usually on the river , to extract value , more money/chps , when we already have the nuts or almost the nuts (equity not just 50% , but more than 90%) . When we hit flush on the river , we have the Ace that means the nuts , we can bet for value . Whenever , not just we feel , but we actually have the best hand/nuts , the bet is a 100% value bet .
Value is value, no need to talk about river only. Also @antonis, you can't just make things up because you feel like it, you need to have reasoning behind it too. Why not 100%, why funny number like 90%?
3bet range for example is composed from value range and bluff range.
yea i would put it more to when im playing a open ended straight draw or flush draw or even when i have flush and straight draw would be my biggest value betting id put out not only is this for finding here my oppenent is by how fast he/she calls or what his/her body language is to try gain a sense of weather im ahead, when its pairs and kickers il stay on the low end of value betting 2-4x blind(depending on where the pot is) also position play has a huge mathmatical advantage when you know how to value bet correctly you will take down more pots pre-river and as long as your not playing air you should win close to 75% or your not playing properly... In My Opinion
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……. Whenever , not just we feel , but we actually have the best hand/nuts , the bet is a 100% value bet .
I think @antonis had the correct idea all along. If we have the absolute nuts we are betting 100% for value, so this is the ultimate value bet, we bet for 100% value. If we have 90% equity, we are betting 90% value. When we bet with 51% equity, we bet 51% value.
However, when we bet with 49% equity, we can’t say we bet 49% for value because more than value we are betting for something else. We are betting 51% non value. So given two choices, betting for value or betting for non value, the difference goes in 50%.
Using expected value for the whole hand, instead of equity, would probably be more logical & accurate bench mark, but probably impossible to use practically.
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