[question] Managing tilt and knowing when to stop?

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blixard

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While reading this keep in mind that I'm a fairly new player and only studied poker very casually for 3-4 months and have played with real money for only 4 months. I have also played play money for a little under a year and am looking to take in all the information I can to get better.

BACKGROUND:
So I woke up a couple of mornings ago and decided to 2-tabling 2NL zoom and averaged 43.333bb/100 over a 2400 hand sample size. Within about 5 hours I profited 20$ and moved to sit-n-go's where I made about 10$. Feeling confident in myself I figured I could probably fit in 3-4 more hours of 2 NL zoom grinding and averaged about -75bb/100 for those 4 hours. I was lucky that I had to go somewhere at that time and stopped, although all my winning where gone and I was back to square one.

MY QUESTIONS:
  • Is 2400 hands a good enough sample size to conclude expected earnings per 100 hands?
  • How long should I play for each day in terms of both hands(eq: 1000 hands per day) and hours per day?
  • Is jumping between game types [ever] good?
  • When do I stop?(should I stop after x amount of hands or when I lose a certain amount of buy-ins?)
  • How can I identify tilt and how can I manage it to minimize loss of money?
  • Are there any other factors that could contribute to loss of money apart from mental fatigue/tilt?
 
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1. No
2. play as long as you can play your best, you can have a goal but don't let it cloud the times you shouldn't be playing
3. Yes, if you need to reset your brain or if it keeps you from playing poorly
4. stop when you feel emotionally charged, if you're continuing to make good decisions running bad or good doesn't matter
5. If you notice yourself angry or starting to call every close decision or an increase % in bluffing
6. running bad, it will happen, don't let tilt make it worse
 
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I can say this right off the bat. You are in the best place you will ever find to learn about poker. And you are young, you are brand new to the game, and there are some great people here who can teach you from bottom to top

If you set times of day or night to play, it will help you more than you may think. I think this goes for all players, you come to the table fresh and you are going to play your best.After 2 or 3 hours you are going to feel a little tired.and it could get you out of focus. so why not take a little break for an hour. There Is a lot of ways and things you can use to point out problems you are having.

Tilt was my first name 3 years ago. I even hated the game but kept going back for some more and got the same results. All I could think about was the loses. So you could say I stayed on tilt all the time, And those problems became my world and I had no idea what to do. But I was going to do something. I had to or keep being the ATM mechine. So 3 years ago I joined here and started putting questions out there and hoping I could find a magic key or something that would get my whole attention and I would be ok. Well it didn't happen like that. I found out quick that it was going to take a lot of work. The very first thing I wanted to work on was my tilt problems I kid you not, it took me 6 months to get all that crap out of my head. And the way I did that was by asking for advice, and using it, and believing it would work if you tried it. When you start feeling good because your game is getting better, the tilt will just be something you have to fix now and then. So last you want to know when to quit and do something else. Seems to me that wins go with wins and loses go with loses. So if you are doing real good at a table and all of a sudden things start going down hill, that's when you stop. Sorry so long and way off the subject at times. GL to you
 
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1. I have yet to see some1 not effected by tilt, even the best poker pros go on a tilt after a suckout, but the thing u can do is blunt it down, how? by having enough of them that u wont feel so bad, like hitting the wall with your fist, it hurts a lot in the beginning but a lot less when u have doing that for a while.
2. 2400 is also good but a small size i would say, lets say 30K would be a good sampling size to see how u r doing at poker.
3. changing game should not be a problem, i play different games at the same time, when ever i play my daily MTT`s i always have sng`s parallel with it.
4. When should you quit playing for the day? When ever u feel like u are not in the game, and cant think str8 thats the time u quit for the day, it only goes downwards after that.
 
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blixard

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Thanks for the great advice guys, I look forward to applying what you guys have said whenever I play poker :) :)
 
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All these questions you posted are very good questions indeed (quite often players ask themselves the wrong questions).

One advice I can give is (!) stop making any expectations from poker game whatsoever. The less you expect, the better you will go, probably.

Jumping between games is a thing a pro can do. Beginners definetly should avoid. It distracts focus.
 
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2400 hands is not a representative sample. 24,000 hands isn't enough either.

Play how much you feel like playing. 1000 hands/day is a good amount.

Jumping between games is neither good nor bad. If you do it well, keep it up.

Stop playing when you feel that whatever is happening at the table is making you play less than your A game.

Tilt manifests itself in many ways. As you play more, you'll learn to identify them.
 
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Be careful when looking at your stats to find a win rate right now. You are new and will get progressively better as you play. Once you get to 10k hands I would toss them aside. Get another 10k and do the same. Do this until you get to 50k and look at them as 5 seperate groups. Compare them and see how you have gotten better. Look deeply at hand selection vs. position. Look at game/players vs time of day/week. Make adjustments and move on to the next 50k hands. This is where you will find out what type of player you really are. You may think thats alot but it doesnt even come close to what a lot of people here have in terms of hands...not to mention the bigger pros have millions. It takes years to get comfortable with how you play...and you always have to look at your stats in chunks to see where you have made good changes or bad
 
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Stop when you know you are tired.

Or when you know you are drunk.

Or when you know you are starting to be looser than you should be. (assuming you are talking 9 handed cash)

tilt means you play a hand you know you shouldn't play.

don't tell me pros never go on tilt. everyone has feelings.

tilt is a feeling.

no one is a robot here. its just how you manage it. small tilt ok big tilt..... maybe not ok. (maybe u flop 22A holding 22 vs AA)
 
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1. Not even close
2. It depends on your specific goal as a poker player.
3. I don't like it. I would stick to a game and try to specialize in it.
4. Stop whenever you feel tired, uncomfortable or even hungry (winning or losing).
5. When you start playing hands poorly or when flops keep hitting you like a ....
6. Variance, downswing, run bad, extreme bad luck, lucky bad players, you name it.
 
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