Nr98
Visionary
Silver Level
Opening with K10 and A10 UTG is asking for trouble, because you're easily dominated there. So if you hit something it might cost you alot of chips.
And regarding OP, I'm not too sure to be honest. Would say you really need a monster hand to open there from UTG tho.
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mad_chils139
Enthusiast
Silver Level
when theyre sutied it makes a difference those are all royal drawing hands so those yoiu can open aswell utg aswell as people give you respect in that position
Nr98
Visionary
Silver Level
But you need 14 guys to fold, so I don't think it will work often enough for it to be profitable. Plus anyone calling that will have you crushed.
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karl coakley
Visionary
Silver Level
I think it depends on the temperature of the game to be honest.
If you have a lot of tight or weak players that are just going to smooth call or re-raise with AA, KK, AK or QQ only, I'd really open up my range. I'd want to be aggressive with these guys deep stacked. I think when you get 15 handed Negreanu's small ball strategy is going to be super effective. I would want to see a lot of flops.
If you are playing against stronger players that will play back, I certainly would be folding everything but AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, AK.
If you have a lot of tight or weak players that are just going to smooth call or re-raise with AA, KK, AK or QQ only, I'd really open up my range. I'd want to be aggressive with these guys deep stacked. I think when you get 15 handed Negreanu's small ball strategy is going to be super effective. I would want to see a lot of flops.
If you are playing against stronger players that will play back, I certainly would be folding everything but AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, AK.
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UrsinusMaximus
Rock Star
Silver Level
Why stop at 15 players? There is room for 23 players, since 23 x 2 = 46 + 5 common cards = 51.
This would lead to the Nittiest play ever, as well as taking ages for each hand...
I think you would need to have quite substantial antes in order to give player any incentive at all to contest a pot without premium hands,
This would lead to the Nittiest play ever, as well as taking ages for each hand...
I think you would need to have quite substantial antes in order to give player any incentive at all to contest a pot without premium hands,
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karl coakley
Visionary
Silver Level
I know what you are saying. This is why I suggested that a loose strategy is actually better and I would want to see as many flops as possible. A normal 9 handed strategy must be abandoned. Because you are removing 30 cards vs 18 the odds of hitting a draw fall through the floor and the odds of 1 or 2 pair standing up are huge. Ace high is also going to be a big winner. TAG is going to be a big loser in this game.
If the villains in this game do not understand the math, I'd be really aggressive with all my hands, even air.
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UrsinusMaximus
Rock Star
Silver Level
With 15 players, it makes it considerably more likely that someone will have woken it up with a premium pair.
I would imagine it would be even more crucial than full ring to ensure that your hand isn't dominated, which would mean being even tighter than usual.
I'm not entirely sure that TAG is going to be a BIG loser, since you only have to pay the blinds very rarely.
It would be interesting to determine what effect having 15 players would have on strategies like set mining, as the chance of your set being good is going to be lower, since there is a much higher chance when there is a flush showing on the board that someone will have the 2 suited cards.
I would imagine it would be even more crucial than full ring to ensure that your hand isn't dominated, which would mean being even tighter than usual.
I'm not entirely sure that TAG is going to be a BIG loser, since you only have to pay the blinds very rarely.
It would be interesting to determine what effect having 15 players would have on strategies like set mining, as the chance of your set being good is going to be lower, since there is a much higher chance when there is a flush showing on the board that someone will have the 2 suited cards.
BlackJesus
Visionary
Silver Level
If much players have went in with low bets, you can play almost any cards assuming you are in late position. Once in a while you will hit something really good with trash hands and it will pay off because of many participants in that hand.
Other than that - play premium and very good hands only.
Other than that - play premium and very good hands only.
Nr98
Visionary
Silver Level
How come you think that mate? Without antes you're almost under no pressure at all to accumulate chips quickly. And besides with so much players you're just too easily dominated if you play those marginal hands like K10 etc.
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karl coakley
Visionary
Silver Level
Your never under pressure to accumulate chips at all in a cash game. The blinds vs the stacks allow you to sit and wait for a premium hand. Of course, in the real world, experienced players understand that this is not an effective strategy. You will simply blind and blind, get a hand and everyone folds to your raise winning the minimum, then blind for another hour.
I have been playing live, larger than 9 handed games once a week for the last 5-6 years. I'm offering my thoughts on my experiences in playing similar games (and winning). I am a TAG player but you have to adjust to the game. In games like 4 max, 6 max, turbos, ect... you have to change your style to be effective. This is just another example. No calculator is going to help, the odds are very different, if you out flop a hand it becomes very difficult for the villain to improve because you are losing so many outs to the muck. In my experiences, opening your range and seeing more flops is a very effective strategy.
Hopefully the OP will post his experiences with the game.
Nr98
Visionary
Silver Level
Thought we were talking about a tourney for a moment mb. But yeah ofcourse we should adjust when the situation asks for it, however I still think we shouldn't play UTG too loose 15 handed. Anyways always nice to share some thoughts ^^
Gl to op!