Q about burn cards

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So I was watching the movie Lucky You last night and in the movie the hero is playing for a seat at the world series and is heads up. They are both all in, I think he has pocket Jacks or maybe 10's and his opponent has pocket 8's. The board runs out clean and he thinks he has won. Then the casino official comes over and says there was no burn card before the river so the river card becomes the burn and they still need to deal another card for the river. I won't say what happens :) but would this happen in real life? If the deal is done would they change it if the burn wasn't right? It got me thinking... and why does poker have burn cards anyway? I heard it's something to do with cheating? I don't understand - who would be marking the top card, the dealer?
 
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Great question. Weird situations do come up from time to time. Casino rules should state that the casino manager (or whatever his/her title is) has the final decision. So, this could happen. There are actually some pretty interested official rules. I remember reading that there is an official rule for if a player dies in the middle of a hand (no joking). As for the burn cards, I think it protects against marked cards. For example, if somebody marks the back of the Ace of Spades, it wouldn't really do them again good to see that it's the next card on the deck since that card will be burned. That makes sense, but I never confirmed this.
 
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The reason for the burn card is protection against marked cards. Think of it this way, the dealer is holding the deck with the back of 1 card visible the entire time people are betting. If that card is marked on the back then the player who marked it would be able to read it. if that card is burnt, then the player can't use that knowledge while betting (i.e. they can't "know" what the next card dealt is going to be because all they know is what the burn card is, not the dealt card."). Now, there is an advantage to having a marked burn card show up. I've always wondered why burn cards weren't dealt face up to remove any advantage marking a card may give you.
 
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I didn't know that this could happen. I'm impressed .For sure.
 
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From Roberts Rule's of Poker Version 11 (Irregularities, 16):


If the dealer fails to burn a card or burns more than one card, the error should be corrected if discovered before betting action has started for that round. Once action has been taken on a boardcard, the card must stand. Whether the error is able to be corrected or not, subsequent cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error had occurred. For example, if two cards were burned, one of the cards should be put back on the deck and used for the burncard on the next round. On the last round, if there was no betting because a player was all-in, the error should be corrected if discovered before the pot has been awarded, provided the deck stub, boardcards, and burncards are all sufficiently intact to determine the proper replacement card.

The card should be replaced as long as there was no action.
The reason for the burn card is protection against marked cards. Think of it this way, the dealer is holding the deck with the back of 1 card visible the entire time people are betting. If that card is marked on the back then the player who marked it would be able to read it. if that card is burnt, then the player can't use that knowledge while betting (i.e. they can't "know" what the next card dealt is going to be because all they know is what the burn card is, not the dealt card."). Now, there is an advantage to having a marked burn card show up. I've always wondered why burn cards weren't dealt face up to remove any advantage marking a card may give you.
WTF?
 
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The reason for the burn card is protection against marked cards. Think of it this way, the dealer is holding the deck with the back of 1 card visible the entire time people are betting. If that card is marked on the back then the player who marked it would be able to read it. if that card is burnt, then the player can't use that knowledge while betting (i.e. they can't "know" what the next card dealt is going to be because all they know is what the burn card is, not the dealt card."). Now, there is an advantage to having a marked burn card show up. I've always wondered why burn cards weren't dealt face up to remove any advantage marking a card may give you.
The reason they do not show the burn cards face up is because it removes the possibility of the card being in the deck and affects how players will play on the following streets *assuming they are not all-in. Example would be if one or multiple of your drawing outs was a burn card you would be less likely to call a bet to try to complete your draw.
 
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