Poker math

[David macdonald]

Overall I think im a good poker player and I have 14 years experience. However I think I need to learn more about the math side of poker, if there is anyone out there that excells in this area I would love to learn from you.

 

[VIP_TARIFF]

I have five years of experience in the game, I entered the prizes well.

 

[Polytarp]

There is good poker math book by Chen.
"Introduction
“If you think the math isn't important, you don't know the right math.” Chris "Jesus" Ferguson, 2000 world series of poker champion
"
I'm not good at math but I am aware of some of those that are.

 

[lovido]

Will help in making AA to stop losing again 72, 96, 10,2 of suit?

 

[Denchik43RU]

I also would like to delve into this question, who will advise what.

 

[The Boss]

Overall I think im a good poker player and I have 14 years experience. However I think I need to learn more about the math side of poker, if there is anyone out there that excells in this area I would love to learn from you.

I got a lot of help with poker math by simply doing a bunch of examples from hand analysis and from other books. A big example is going into a book like Harrington on Hold'em Volume III, Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time, and other "poker workbooks" and find the outs, odds, and implied odds within each hand. I recommend looking at some online articles for the basic math such as outs, pot odds, and expected value. Try to apply them in every hand you play in a game and/or in post-game analysis. Experience and application of math matters.

 

[David macdonald]

Ok thanks

 

[vavilen_]

Mathematics in poker is the foundation! there are a lot of good books on the Internet I just do not remember the title I read about 3 years ago! I think you should try!

 

[crisco609]

Poker mathematics is an interesting concept as it is made up of multiple types of strong mathematics. The first type would be the obvious of statistical/analytics.... How many outs are there? What is the chance percentage of this winning? What are my opponents cards most likely?? Etc.... Then there is also the less obvious side of things, and that is integrating in Discrete Mathematics. This is "logical math" and is commonly practiced among programmers and computer science - but this kind of mathematical thinking can be really beneficial on the poker table to.

 

[skaterick]

almost every poker book has math discussions . the aforementioned Harrington books are full of it , and Chen/Ackerman 'the mathematics of poker ' is detailed and very challenging .

 

[David macdonald]

Mathematics in poker is the foundation! there are a lot of good books on the Internet I just do not remember the title I read about 3 years ago! I think you should try!

What's the name?

 

[David macdonald]

https://youtu.be/f7rLc7mx000 this is a good link

 

[ScooperNova]

Fool around with the odds calculator a bit

 

[Psyanide14]

I got a lot of help with poker math by simply doing a bunch of examples from hand analysis and from other books. A big example is going into a book like Harrington on Hold'em Volume III, Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time, and other "poker workbooks" and find the outs, odds, and implied odds within each hand. I recommend looking at some online articles for the basic math such as outs, pot odds, and expected value. Try to apply them in every hand you play in a game and/or in post-game analysis. Experience and application of math matters.

The problem with math is that if you are playing low stakes, most players don’t understand and will call your half pot bet with a straight draw not realizing they aren’t getting the right odds. Of course, they’ll end up hitting it. Or you’ll shove with 10 bb with AA and they’ll call with 44 just because it’s a pair, not realizing they are at best in a flip and quite often be a 4:1 dog.

Math only works when the other players understand it as well.

 

[hugh blair]

Yes you have to know your poker maths off by heart even if RNG breaks the heart over and over good luck.

 

[Polytarp]

Math only works when the other players understand it as well.

I disagree. You are a very good player Psy and you can model these kinds of free-for-all environments and determine how loose you must play...YOU CAN'T PLAY TIGHT!
If you have tracked these players you can begin to "clump" them together and determine what kind of lottery you are getting into. If you are in re-buy games with them then this will be better for you. They will kill each other off while you bide your time and take the add-on. This is the next level where again you can model the survivors and play a more numbers oriented game because the dumb and dumber types didn't last...and luck does dissipate.

 

[johnwat2]

Great link David, I love Negreanu.

 

[HeyMan]

Most players + roi players have a good understanding of using math to help make decisions .

 

[Benego]

The problem with math is that if you are playing low stakes, most players don’t understand and will call your half pot bet with a straight draw not realizing they aren’t getting the right odds. Of course, they’ll end up hitting it. Or you’ll shove with 10 bb with AA and they’ll call with 44 just because it’s a pair, not realizing they are at best in a flip and quite often be a 4:1 dog.

Math only works when the other players understand it as well.

Exactly,
I am currently a "freeroll" player and the plays guys make at freerolls are mindblowing if you think about the math.. mindblowing in a negative way.. .

 

[Peppinotom]

the math tells you, you need 5 lifetimes to do "the long run"
me in my lifetime tell you: cut your losses and raise your winings
make every table yours or maybe let it to the other one
at the end of the day you'll be countin money... it goes..1..2...3
:ciao:

 

[fordman427]

I’ve really picked up my studying and I’ve been able to tell a huge difference

 

[CallmeFloppy]

I see some others saying that math is not that important when your opponent doesn't understand the math, but isn't that an ideal situation? Isn't it most profit generated by causing your opponents to make mistakes?

Knowing the math gives you the opportunity to make the most out of those situations. Sure, some idiot is going to make the wrong call and win once in a while, but most times they will lose, and you take their money. Isn't that the basis of how casinos are run? By having players play games with a negative expected value? Eventually someone hits a jackpot and walks out with fists full of cash and brag about that big score, but I bet the house still finished the night ahead.

But back to the real topic, Chen's book is great for math. Harrington on Hold Em also has some decent tools to use.

 

[David macdonald]

I see some others saying that math is not that important when your opponent doesn't understand the math, but isn't that an ideal situation? Isn't it most profit generated by causing your opponents to make mistakes?

Knowing the math gives you the opportunity to make the most out of those situations. Sure, some idiot is going to make the wrong call and win once in a while, but most times they will lose, and you take their money. Isn't that the basis of how casinos are run? By having players play games with a negative expected value? Eventually someone hits a jackpot and walks out with fists full of cash and brag about that big score, but I bet the house still finished the night ahead.

But back to the real topic, Chen's book is great for math. Harrington on Hold Em also has some decent tools to use.

I have used the odds calculator and I always count my outs however I want to explore every avenue and try to improve the best I can. I do think it helps and does give you an advantage but just seems to many people make bad decisions and get lucky or hit.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I have used the odds calculator and I always count my outs however I want to explore every avenue and try to improve the best I can. I do think it helps and does give you an advantage but just seems to many people make bad decisions and get lucky or hit.

Hint: David, we WANT people to make bad decisions! (who cares if they get lucky or hit... it doesn't matter. What matters is if WE are making the RIGHT decisions... knowing the math (ie. knowing what % we need to call off shoves... or to raise/call off ai. Calculating ev. Making calculations on final tables (&/or where there's significant payout jumps) using I.C.M., etc. etc. etc.) should be considered a given.

 

[lovido]

I have five years of experience in the game, I entered the prizes well.

Wow! feels good whenever you make it to the prize!