This is a discussion on Patience is a terrible fish-trait in poker. within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; So you know that there are three types of fish right? If you didn't, you probably know the donk type:
1) Donks are LAG fishes who
So you know that there are three types of fish right? If you didn't, you probably know the donk type:
1) Donks are LAG fishes who focus hardest on pre-flop intimidation so that the smarter players on the table are terrified to even try and outplay them (a donk can have kings or 2 4, you have no way of telling before you bet too much into them).
2) The cute fish. The LPA fishes AKA calling stations. If they raise, that's the only time to be worried.
3) The 'I don't earn much but I don't give much' fish. These fish are terrible at tournaments and, at best, break even in cash games. They do not comprehend to be aggressive. They are the 'check check check' with four of a kind type players who solely look good when their opponent bets into them. I would consider calling them TPA fish but actually they don't know how to estimate odds so they are not really tight.
Okay, now we have three types of fish so how do we fight them?
1) Donks are fought by being as aggro as them when you have a turn BEFORE them, you will find they actually show fear when you become aggressive (if they don't, you probably bet into their pocket Queens or something, so now be cautious).
2) You fight the cute fish by never bluffing, ever. You bet proportional to your odds and never ever think you can intimidate this type off of the hand.
3) Never bet unless you hit the nuts. This type will sit there with three of a kind praying to their God that you raise into them, if they are in a hand, you never ever know what they have. You should allow others to raise first and watch if this fish folds or not. If this fish has folded then take it form there, if they call, that is the equivalent of them going all-in.
So, where is patience involved in dominating the player types mentioned? It isn't. You don't sit and wait, you don't play TAG-every-new-shark-type poker, you need to play dynamic poker, randomly raise preflop with 5 7 and randomly slowplay ace king. The more unreadable you are, the more god tier your outplays will be and more chips you will take per outplay.
I`m a quite cautious player. I play rather tight since I have a small bankroll.
Out of my experience I recommend tight play and patience, patience, patience in the beginning of a poker "career" to learn the game, get the feeling for pots, equities, values, outs and so on. So I think I played REALLY fishy. But I made it quite often into the money. No big wins, but no loss over all.
Then I tried to advance my play and give it a little more aggressive touch. It was no good, made it only half the times into money than before. I think it was too early.
Maybe it´ll work out better when I have the bankroll to go for higher buy-ins, maybe people play more sophisticated poker when there´s more money in the game.
So all beginners: play as fishy as you want to and find out YOUR way of playing this nice game. And never mind the players who call U fish when U just took a load of chips from them with a fishy moove.
imo, a good fold is worth more than an agressive ai
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Originally Posted by Rational Madman
So, where is patience involved in dominating the player types mentioned?
Do not compromise yourself with such question! thats not literally, you dont need to wait while ante or blinds eats your stake. thats like the differences between LAG and TAG players, who is more aggressive? who have better chance to win? who is more patient? Patience here mean not to play much hands, or fold marginal hands, but this does not exclude bluff. Think wider