What is the best decision here against flop allin situations? For example you have AK suited and someone goes allin on the flop and you have nuts flush draw?

In general whether to call the shove depends on ones risk appetite and bankroll
if its micro buyin tourney then we might find a call as we can lose not much than couple of dollars
at the same time if its big tourney then we can fold if its early stage as we have loads of time and its risky to put tournament life on draw and but can gamble if we are short stack or in middle stage of tourney

at the same time what reads do we have on player and in what conditions does player shove like that ?
is he a loose or tight ? what is his range of hands ? what is our effective stack size and what is his stack size ?
what is your position in tourney ? what stage of tourney it is early , middle , late ?

as my late hubby would say, it all just depends on the situation

The fact that they're shoving seems to indicate that they don't want you to call. Depends on how loose they are, and stack sizes, but they probably have made a small/medium pair or are bluffing with a lower flush draw.

If they do indeed have a smaller pair, you have 9 outs for the flush as well as 6 outs to pair your over cards. This seems like pretty good pot odds to call.

However, it also depends on how many players act after you, stack sizes your image at the table etc.

This is an extrememly vague question (which is going to have to have a pretty vague reply). Poker is an incredibly complex game and generalising things like that seems like a bad way of thinking about it. You should usually call an all in, because if they haven't flopped a full house+ you're going to have somewhere between 30% and 50% (35% to hit your flush but sometimes the over cards are live and sometimes your opponent can make a full house). If they have gone all in for pot you only need to win 33% of the time, and if they have gone all in for half pot then you need to win 25% of the time, because of pot odds. I can also say that you should generally be aggressive with your draws because sometimes your opponent will fold but if they do call you're still going to have a decent chance to win.

As I say though, it really does repent on the situation and this is a vey hard question to answer. If your opponent is super nitty and they go all in for 2X pot on a paired board, it can be a very easy fold of your flush draw. If there are more people behind, you might be more inclined to call. If your opponent is a massive calling station and they are I elastic with the sizes they will call, maybe you don't want to be agressive with your draw in the first place. Are you in position in this hand, and what position has your opponent raised from, because this will dictate what kind of hands they can have. :/

Usually a call, but you're going to have to think in each specific situation and just think about how many % you think you are going to have on average compared to how many % you need to have to win.

Hope that helps!
Good luck!

it depends on your bankroll, type of tournaments, number of oponents that are calling or can call, also what you have and how lucky you are Basically you have AsKs for instance and you have 4x spade and somebody shoves all/in and 3 people are calling.. if it is like 1/2 of your stack you can take risk and tripple but especially on bubble be careful you dont want to be kicked out from tournament without getting paid right ? with 4 spades you have 9 outs of getting flush unless opponents have flush draw too :]

I ussually fold,im not that lucky to get the flush,there is 18% to get the flush and you dont know what your opponent shoves,you may cover him with a pair maybe,if you want to risk call,im more a tight player so fold.

Originally Posted by shody

I ussually fold,im not that lucky to get the flush,there is 18% to get the flush and you dont know what your opponent shoves,you may cover him with a pair maybe,if you want to risk call,im more a tight player so fold.

I have to say that that seems like a strange/ bad way of thinking about it... To start with it's 35% to get the flush by the river when they shove on the flop, and 35% is 35%. If you are getting the right odds (depending on the factors that I said before) then you should obviously call. Otherwise you just become an exploitable nit. A very exploitable nit.

Obviously your past luck will have no effect on how you run in the future. That's just common sense. Thinking about the ACTUAL % will always be better. You need to do that to be a good player....

Good luck!

It depends on how much of your stack it is to call the all in. In poker you have to take chances. If I had to put in 1/4 of my stack to call the shove, I would. If you get to more than that, its a tuff decision, and most of the time its a fold. The odds are you are NOT going to make your flush which is why it is ranked so high. People who chase flushes take buses. Calling off your chips on draws is always a bad move over the long run (yes, I know people get lucky).

I would fold in this situation but before this i would watch my opponents. I mean what my opponents did in this game. If he was too scared to check or sth i would fold because it means he has something good because he went all in and before he was too scared to check and it means he was waiting for good hand. Its my opinion im not good player but u have to watch ur opponents so it will be easier to win then

my luck is not good enough to give me confidence to go allin if the game has just started unless its a freeroll or micro cash game where the loss in these instances is too small to worry about

Hmm does anyone know whether this is an appropriate situation to use the ICM?

Basically what Tech101205 said + a bit of MHO:
This is poker, yes, your flushes can be beat by some wierd hands but, can you really expect that every time you have nuts flush/street/fullhouse/.... they have better? Ussually I call. As to what my PT says it is usually a street/flush/fullhouse over street/flush/fullhouse situations. From what I can see back at my hand history there are les than ~5% of time that I(or op) floped nuts and were beat by something.
In addition you want you good hands to be paid off, you can not win the tourney by stealing 2-3 blinds.

It all depends on the situation, but its pretty good odds and you'll win a lot of chips and that will do it much easier to come as far as possible in the tournament. In tournaments you would like to call these kind if hans, because the advantage you get if you win is huge, but on the other hand if its in the early stafes in a expensive tourney it could be hard to call this hand andrisk your tourney life

Thx all for great replays

I mostly play tournaments so my response will take into account that setting.

In any case, this is an easy call for me at any stage of the tournament sans final table. When playing a tournament you're in it to win it, which means you need to try to acumulate a large chip stack to be able to maneuver and play good poker without getting bullied by the larger stacks.

Either way, as i see it in this hand you have both the turn and the river to get the nuts, and if your opponent flopped a weak pair you have the A or K draw too in addition to the flush which just boosts your chances. Whatever your opponent is holding, you're given a good chance to double up and I wouldn't pass on it. The only hand I might not call this against is AA because then we're only drawing the flush and those odds are a bit unfavorable at least for me, but then again if you always think your opponent has pocket rockets you'll be too scared to play hands which is terrible. Odds are he's not holding AA more times than he is though, so I'd call this 90% of the time.

dropped when the board paired and my opponent has moved. in the deep stack's

Again it all depends on the situation, how much we have chips and in which we phases of the tournament

Originally Posted by AjsmenX

What is the best decision here against flop allin situations? For example you have AK suited and someone goes allin on the flop and you have nuts flush draw?

I believe that the analysis of opponents at the table will determine the flop raise or even the all in direct to isolate the opponents.
Taking advantage of the best opportunities and looking to double your chips.

Being the hand with AK one of the best, considered by far better than pair of "A", because if you have to give the chance to win many chips also does not make so much loss.

So that's it, GL on the tables.
Yelmopoker01

Originally Posted by AjsmenX

What is the best decision here against flop allin situations? For example you have AK suited and someone goes allin on the flop and you have nuts flush draw?

Id say it all depends on your stack sizes. Most cases you call or push over. If Im low and it puts me allin and just me and him... I call

If I am in the middle and got a shove and a call infront of me and I am low stack.... I call.

But if I am average stack on the button and I call a small raise and someone in front of me shoves and 2 or more callers I fold.

any other situation is pretty much a call in my eyes cause I feel forced or I have plenty of chips where it wont hurt.

It depends like so many things in poker there is no one answer , yes shove or not . It has to do with the effective stack and the stack of the opponent (the largest stack we have the easiest to call ), the stage of the tournament we are , early or middle or late ( on early it's not wise to gable much , you go for more sure hands and mines ) , if we have less chips we have to gamble so we take the risk , especially itm imo . The pot odds is sth we have to be carefull whether we'll call or not , if sb with biggest stack has to speak after you (position) then the situation might not be good , these are most of the factors you have to take into consideration when you are with a nut flush draw and one is already all in .I used to hate these calls , now I just ''follow'' the odds

Recently seen donkey with Jc9d calling allin vs AhAd
flop 2c 9h 9s 6h 9d
was 1USD tournament for 5USD tickets ... and that donkey won all following allins with things even 10d3c vs JJ vs AJ vs AQ with two pairs 103 etc..

It is about luck.. if you dont have it, you can have all the skill in world and still loose... :]

Originally Posted by AjsmenX

What is the best decision here against flop allin situations? For example you have AK suited and someone goes allin on the flop and you have nuts flush draw?

auto call if have two higher cards and nut flush draw imho

If the tournament just starting , and you have such of strong hand) I'll call it everytime , because this will be a coin flip , but its depends of situation if you feel the flush will come) why to fold? really is hard to fold ) i'll call more 50% on such of situation.

In MTT I always play the draw if I NEED it.. if I'm going to take a huge hit by drawing for it and I can wait to get my money in a better spot I will fold and wait for it.
In a live game I will fold it most of the time. again desperate times call for desperate measures

It depends on how far in the tourney, is it a cash game(call), does this all-in have more chips than me(fold), will i be in good shape if i call (call), if I had less than 10 blinds(call).