I adopted a new strategy that I haven't read about elsewhere. Am I wasting my time?

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GeorgeF1234

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When playing cash games, I find it considerably more reliable and safe to "bank" my winnings when I'm up. In other words, when I earn about 150 - 200% of my buy-in, I like to leave that table and join another with the same buy-in therefore putting some winnings to one side.


I know this can come across as daft to some people but I only do it when I feel fairly well matched against my opponents, or when I got very lucky and profited off it well. Needless to say, if I had won those chips from a table of fish I wouldn't be going anywhere. I just find it's a pretty safe way to ensure I don't lose too much, too quickly. Having said this, from what I understand a lot of players like to "bully" with lots of chips, but I just don't find that very effective. Opponents tend to loosen up when I enter more pots and try to steal. Often I just end up at square one.


Let me know your thoughts and/or if this is already a well documented idea in poker, or if it is completely non-sensical.
 
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I don't know if this is documented or not? Your probably not the only one who does this but keeping a high percentage of your winnings to the side and locked up in your bank is always in my opinion a good idea. That's safe back rolling. defiantly nothing wrong with that. You stack size might not be as big or grow to be used as effectively against other stacks but your defiantly not risking as much/ Keeping my bank roll managed is one of the harder things I have to deal with I seem to always end up going broke after cashing at a table or in a tournament not too long after. This is a strategy I might have to take into consideration.
Good post!
 
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Yea that's kind of what I was aiming to achieve. The problem is as a noob, I'm not sure just how advantageous it is to be deep stacked and whether it's important to try and use that. I think I'll try and get better at deep stack strategy and see how it goes, otherwise I can always fall back on this option.
 
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its smart in my opinion to leave when your 2 to 3 times max buyin. If not you will be set up with a cooler....classic online riggetry. Also check all cash tables you very very very very rarely see anyone with more the 2-3 times the max buy. Why is that you may ask? i dont know the answer but i sure think its odd. Lately i have been buying in for 50-75% max buy and leaving when im at 200% i dont even care if im on a heater.... i bounce and go to new table.
 
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When playing cash games, I find it considerably more reliable and safe to "bank" my winnings when I'm up. In other words, when I earn about 150 - 200% of my buy-in, I like to leave that table and join another with the same buy-in therefore putting some winnings to one side.


I know this can come across as daft to some people but I only do it when I feel fairly well matched against my opponents, or when I got very lucky and profited off it well. Needless to say, if I had won those chips from a table of fish I wouldn't be going anywhere. I just find it's a pretty safe way to ensure I don't lose too much, too quickly. Having said this, from what I understand a lot of players like to "bully" with lots of chips, but I just don't find that very effective. Opponents tend to loosen up when I enter more pots and try to steal. Often I just end up at square one.


Let me know your thoughts and/or if this is already a well documented idea in poker, or if it is completely non-sensical.

Thank you for this. In the first post I have seen from you you have allowed me to judge you and decide I don't like you.

Maybe you've stopped reading, but I will explain. Back in "the good old days" there were basically only 2 unwritten rules in poker. #1, don't bet into a dry side pot and #2, don't talk about your hand while it is in progress (unless, very rarely, you are all in head's up with opponent to act).

NOW, we seem to have to add this 3rd rule. AND, the first two fing rules are rarely followed anyway it seems. There is a REASON why in ANY reputable cash game poker room, as way as on ACR, if you even TRY to get up from the table you are at, pocket some chips, and sit back down with a smaller amount you be laughed at profusely. Doesn't matter if it is your first time playing. You CANNOT, SHOULD NOT and WILL NOT be able to do this. Besides just being fing rude and disrespectful to your opponents (who you just indicated you took chips from) it's ridiculously bad poker etiquette.

Aside: If you ever have the displeasure of playing on the wsop "mobile" (you can play through facebook on computer too) game, you will see close to 50-75% of the assholes there doing this all the time. They could basically go up 1BB and they will snap leave the table and come back with their previous amount.

NOW, we have people like you (glad you're not on MY site) who seem to think it is okay to go from one X buyin table with your 2x buyin stack to another X buyin table with an X buyin amount. It's ignorant, small minded, (basically in your own words) fearful and a number of other problems.

BUT hey, that's okay, I've studied the phenomenon and crunched the numbers. It is a losing play. So, forget what I said, and continued playing scared.
 
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its smart in my opinion to leave when your 2 to 3 times max buyin. If not you will be set up with a cooler....classic online riggetry.
This is actually true in most cases, but there are exceptions which occur rarely (4BI +).
 
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what you are describing is basically a "hit and run" which is frowned upon but totally viable and legal, if you feel like you are outmatched then yes you should leave the table because you probably are, but you should leave regardless of how you are doing because you have no skill edge, you should be less inclined to leave when you are winning any table and more inclined to leave when you are down.
 
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Ya. You end up putting too much of your bankroll at risk. Good idea to swap tables imo unless you don't care about your BR.
 
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I think it is frowned upon by a lot of people, but also more common online. If you are playing live this would make a lot of people hate you, but I have done the same thing online. I try to wait until I'm up at 2x the buy in, and maybe play a few hands after winning a big pot. On ACR you are required to buy back in a table with your winnings at another same stakes table within the last 30 mins, which is good for people trying to cash out when they are up 10% of a buy in. But sometimes i feel like i have earned it fairly, and in that case i guess its worth to just wait the 30 mins before buying back in.
 
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Most people in online poker do this aka hit and run. It is a good way to make sure that you save up some of your money. Usually it is best to leave the table when you are above 2x of what you had when you joined the cash game. Everybody does it and it's no crime. This way you can make sure you never go broke. Good luck! :)
 
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And this is example number 10,001 of why I hate "new school poker"
 
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I think it is a good way to icrease your bankroll especially in beggining, despite other thoughts spreaded in this post, each one should choose his own workable strategy.
 
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I've seen this advice given by a pro in a vid from pre Black Friday. I remember it specifically bc it was like a lightbulb for me. However, if you're at a soft table, there's no point in leaving. Keep making profits. Besides, it's not a great habit to get into if you play live cash games. At times you can be at the same table for hours upon hours. Good luck!
 
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Thanks, I'll change the winnings ratio to about 2X my buy in, and see whether that'll yield more successful results.
 
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Thanks, I'll change the winnings ratio to about 2X my buy in, and see whether that'll yield more successful results.

LOL

Clearly you didn't read or chose to disregard my post suggesting that your "strategy" makes you a POS and EXACTLY what is wrong with poker today.

Please share your ACR SN so I can be sure to avoid playing with you ever. I have no desire to play with people who abuse the game I have loved for years.
 
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what you are describing is basically a "hit and run" which is frowned upon but totally viable and legal,

thank you, Mr poker guru :)

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Clearly you didn't read or chose to disregard my post suggesting that your "strategy" makes you a POS and EXACTLY what is wrong with poker today.

Please share your ACR SN so I can be sure to avoid playing with you ever. I have no desire to play with people who abuse the game I have loved for years.

why are you such a nutcracker ? what's wrong with poker today is people want everyone to play like they do .
I understand your point , it's always been an unwritten rule to give people a chance to get their money back.
but this is 2016 and a completely different game.
these are recreational gamblers, not PRO's and they do whatever they think is best for themselves and rightfully so .
I think they might be sorry later when they get a premium hand and don't have a deeper stack to get in and double up with,
but to each his own. just my opinion :D
 
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thank you, Mr poker guru :)



why are you such a nutcracker ? what's wrong with poker today is people want everyone to play like they do .
I understand your point , it's always been an unwritten rule to give people a chance to get their money back.
but this is 2016 and a completely different game.
these are recreational gamblers, not PRO's and they do whatever they think is best for themselves and rightfully so .
I think they might be sorry later when they get a premium hand and don't have a deeper stack to get in and double up with,
but to each his own. just my opinion :D

I hate that copout, "it's 2016" "it's a new game". Only thing more ignorant is "well, that's variance"

If this is today's game then I f*ing hate it. I took a relatively short (but much needed) break after Black Friday (and the overnight loss of my roll)... When I come back, even in Live games, I am seeing donk betting and other bullshit that was never (maybe 5%) part of the game before like a dude bitching, yelling and hitting the table when the turn or river comes AND HE'S NOT IN THE HAND. Thankfully idiots like the OP could only "hit and run" and go home or wait 1-3 hours for a new seat at max buyin because the live Casino had integrity.

So all that is bad enough, but now online in almost every single tournament I have played (which, excluding some periods of downtime would be an average of 10 tournaments a day since I joined in November) even if I somehow don't make it past the first orbit it is a GUARANTEE that someone at the table will bet into a dry side pot. (NOW I will sheepishly admit that if I'm the one all-in, I kind of appreciate the "protection" if he gets folds). But usually I don't find it hard to make it past that first orbit. So that means I will see this dry side pot betting a minimum of 10 times every single tournament. It still happens on the bubble, it still happens at the final table. People just don't give a shit and do whatever they feel like doing. It's always "super lovely" when they do it having missed the flop with their 59o and their huge bet gets me to fold the winning made hand.

THIS GUY (THE OP) though, yes, he is "free" to do whatever he wants since "unwritten rules" are simply that. But I am DEAD SERIOUS when I say tell me your name on ACR. Since I play rushes (as most any halfway decent pro will tell you to do) I could be sitting at the table with 10x max buyin and totally crushing it. Still, I will, out of pure.... well, whatever. Point is I won't play with him ever.
 
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I guess it's sensible in terms of managing your bankroll and I think a lot more players do it than you may think.

However it is understandably frowned upon - i mean you obviously wouldn't do it in a casino. But hey, each to their own.
 
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i don't have an issue with it at all, if you are letting things like this get you angry you basically have no hope of playing good poker. Having said that i've never really done it, if the table is good and profitable i'll stay for as long as possible, if it's not i'll bail early and it doesn't matter if im up or down.
 
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i don't have an issue with it at all, if you are letting things like this get you angry you basically have no hope of playing good poker. Having said that i've never really done it, if the table is good and profitable i'll stay for as long as possible, if it's not i'll bail early and it doesn't matter if im up or down.

LOL

Tell that to any one of my poker account bankrolls before Black Friday.

They may disagree with you.
 
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think its why a lot of sites, require you to sit the same limits with the same amt you left the table with(think it lasts an hr)
 
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names and graphs or it didn't happen :D

hahaha

let's just say "I agree with you" rather than have the IRS track me down. I contend that money that stayed in the account, even more than a year, that was never withdrawn, is not "earned." Others I know were basically told this is not the case and that poker is not the same as investing.

So yeah... ummm... I never made any money playing poker ever. ;)
 
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