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Community Guide
Many players ask how I can improve my game and cheaply. One way is by talking about hands played with your peers and players better than yourself. Around 2005 if another forum I was invited into a private group of players working to improve there games. Many played a much higher level of games and we even had 2 HPT champions in the group by the end. One requirement was to post 20 hands and respond to 30 other each month. I was quickly told before I could post hands in the private group I 1st needed to learn how to properly post a hand. I did not understand why i was being told this but would soon find out why it was so vital.
One thing i notice when people put up hand questions is the lack of needed details that would or could be able to help you get better answers to your questions or better feedback. Once I learned to give better information to my fellow players I found the details of the feedback I received to be better and more likely to be helpful to my improving of the game. Today I would like to help my fellow Cardchat players get more from there questions.
The more detailed your information the better. Just putting or a cards chat re-player and asking a question leaves out a lot of details. Ever putting up the actual hand history from the site misses details. So what should you do? You don't need to be perfect but more information the better.
Start with information about your self from your time at the tables. How long you have been there, Has anything interesting happen that you did. What have you been doing. This information can be very useful. Here is an example of what I would say. "Been at the table for a few orbits. Been playing a lot of hands so far but winning most without showing cards. My one hand shown was a bluff on the river. My table image is Very loose and aggressive. " This would be very helpful depending on the hand you playing to give you better feedback.
who you against. We want the same information on him to. Example " he has been at table since I arrived. He has only played 1 hand I can recall and was betting his hand strong but only called with Aces preflop. "He flopped a set." This again would be helpful in the hand discussion. Now if you have HUD stats give us the info. Every thing helps. hands VIP and PFR are always nice. I did have hands against him in the past. 125 hands VIP 10 PRF 0 3bet 0
Hand situation itself vs this same guy. I opened (53BB deep) with AsQs from the HJ 2.25xBB and he called in the BB. Effective stack size is 32BB and the POT is 6.5BB. Were are in the last hand in the the blind level of a Turbo tournament. This info is great to set up the hand start. Our image is not very good and we are up against a shorter stack who looks to be very tight.
The flop comes 2s 8c Ad and he checks and I C-bet my top pair for 2.5BB and he surprised me and re-raises to 5.5BB and I call. I thought about what hands he could have here and decided to not push him harder. A question here is he already committed to the POT? He has been so tight I only see him doing this with pocket 2's 8's or a paired ace from the flop. Another problem here is he already committed to the POT? Problem is Ak, AQ and hopefully AJ. Normally I would say he could have an 8 but he is so tight. With information like this you are giving us vital info. We know what your thinking about and your thoughts on the player and why you played the hand this way.
we go to the turn Pot size 17.5BB and he has 24.75BB left. The turn is a brick 3h. so there are no flush or realistic straight draws here. The BB leads for 5BB leaving only 19.75BB left. It was an obvious bluff so I jammed all in and.................................................. what ever happened next you add in along with the bad news you lost to AK.
Now here is where people put in questions like did i play it wrong. Could I have avoided the loss here. Was it a cooler and just unlucky? With more information like this players could help you and answer your questions.
Now if I were to see a hand like this I could help. Preflop was not an issue at all. I like your c-bet on a very safe looking flop but that 3bet was small, why? You say he was agresave when he had it and did not 3 bet aces. Add that with your previous hands with him I can see him seeing the flop with big aces KQ and pairs. This is tough since his range is so tight against yours and stronger too. I can agree with your call as pushing him could be a mistake. The turn is where I think you make a massive mistake. He bet super small I agree but why would you put him on a bluff here? Did you have a tell or some other info because on the flop you had him with sets and aces? To answer your questions, could you have gotten away from this? I don't like folding a strong hand like AQ here but based on the info of this player we should not be putting him on a bluff when he bets 140% pot on the turn. We should honestly think about the tight fold vs him. We lost to the sets and AK. We split AQ and lose to the AJ. I am not sure I would fold here but it would be a tough call to be honest.
OK everyone. I hope this has been helpful.. Add other info you think could be helpful to others. We have a great forum to help each other on so lets take advantage of this great site.
One thing i notice when people put up hand questions is the lack of needed details that would or could be able to help you get better answers to your questions or better feedback. Once I learned to give better information to my fellow players I found the details of the feedback I received to be better and more likely to be helpful to my improving of the game. Today I would like to help my fellow Cardchat players get more from there questions.
The more detailed your information the better. Just putting or a cards chat re-player and asking a question leaves out a lot of details. Ever putting up the actual hand history from the site misses details. So what should you do? You don't need to be perfect but more information the better.
Start with information about your self from your time at the tables. How long you have been there, Has anything interesting happen that you did. What have you been doing. This information can be very useful. Here is an example of what I would say. "Been at the table for a few orbits. Been playing a lot of hands so far but winning most without showing cards. My one hand shown was a bluff on the river. My table image is Very loose and aggressive. " This would be very helpful depending on the hand you playing to give you better feedback.
who you against. We want the same information on him to. Example " he has been at table since I arrived. He has only played 1 hand I can recall and was betting his hand strong but only called with Aces preflop. "He flopped a set." This again would be helpful in the hand discussion. Now if you have HUD stats give us the info. Every thing helps. hands VIP and PFR are always nice. I did have hands against him in the past. 125 hands VIP 10 PRF 0 3bet 0
Hand situation itself vs this same guy. I opened (53BB deep) with AsQs from the HJ 2.25xBB and he called in the BB. Effective stack size is 32BB and the POT is 6.5BB. Were are in the last hand in the the blind level of a Turbo tournament. This info is great to set up the hand start. Our image is not very good and we are up against a shorter stack who looks to be very tight.
The flop comes 2s 8c Ad and he checks and I C-bet my top pair for 2.5BB and he surprised me and re-raises to 5.5BB and I call. I thought about what hands he could have here and decided to not push him harder. A question here is he already committed to the POT? He has been so tight I only see him doing this with pocket 2's 8's or a paired ace from the flop. Another problem here is he already committed to the POT? Problem is Ak, AQ and hopefully AJ. Normally I would say he could have an 8 but he is so tight. With information like this you are giving us vital info. We know what your thinking about and your thoughts on the player and why you played the hand this way.
we go to the turn Pot size 17.5BB and he has 24.75BB left. The turn is a brick 3h. so there are no flush or realistic straight draws here. The BB leads for 5BB leaving only 19.75BB left. It was an obvious bluff so I jammed all in and.................................................. what ever happened next you add in along with the bad news you lost to AK.
Now here is where people put in questions like did i play it wrong. Could I have avoided the loss here. Was it a cooler and just unlucky? With more information like this players could help you and answer your questions.
Now if I were to see a hand like this I could help. Preflop was not an issue at all. I like your c-bet on a very safe looking flop but that 3bet was small, why? You say he was agresave when he had it and did not 3 bet aces. Add that with your previous hands with him I can see him seeing the flop with big aces KQ and pairs. This is tough since his range is so tight against yours and stronger too. I can agree with your call as pushing him could be a mistake. The turn is where I think you make a massive mistake. He bet super small I agree but why would you put him on a bluff here? Did you have a tell or some other info because on the flop you had him with sets and aces? To answer your questions, could you have gotten away from this? I don't like folding a strong hand like AQ here but based on the info of this player we should not be putting him on a bluff when he bets 140% pot on the turn. We should honestly think about the tight fold vs him. We lost to the sets and AK. We split AQ and lose to the AJ. I am not sure I would fold here but it would be a tough call to be honest.
OK everyone. I hope this has been helpful.. Add other info you think could be helpful to others. We have a great forum to help each other on so lets take advantage of this great site.
