How do you guys multitabe 10 tables at once?

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OK I am new to poker and wouldnt expect to be able to do this from day one.

But

I have started to multitable 2 tables and find this to be usefull as I am able to play more hands in a shorter space of time so this aids my learning.

I thought Id give 3 tables ago and OMG!!

I was all over the place!!

How do you manage to make a decision in the time given? Im talking post flop here.

How you count your outs? Make discounts for the flop, size up your opponent calculate pot / implied odds.. comapre all that against the odds of making it??? and all in about 15 seconds maybe less because 2 tables spring to life at once.

An insite into how all this effects your game.. and thus the stratagy you use would be interesting.

I assume that the key to multitabling is to remove all margional hands from your starting hands in order to make future decisions easier.. and quicker.
 
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Yeah, playing a tighter game helps big time. When I play full ring and I just nut peddle, I can easily play 8 tables at once. But when I'm playing a LAGgy session of 6 max, two tables is about all I can handle at once.
 
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ten tables is pretty steep. I could probably do it at full table limit games where online basically everything is automatic for me at lower limits. At NL, i can only do about 6 and still make real poker plays. Two monitors is a must.

I was trying out a system about a year ago and playing 8 NL easily but it was basically a system of buying in at the table for 1/4th max buy in and just going all in with certain hands or folding, then if you doubled up, leave the table. It was just an experiment though and worked well to clear the bonus at full tilt.
 
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Zachvac is probably best at answering this, and he does a bazillion tables. I can 6 table full ring, but my laptop screen (and dial-up access) pretty much limit to that.

Basically, I arrange the screens so that I can see a small piece of each. When it's my turn to act, it pops to the top and I base my moves on the typical poker stuff (hand strength, position, and reads) but most of my reads are based on the PokerTracker HUD.

Calculating outs... This isn't something you only have to do roughly, and after awhile it's pretty instinctive so you're not really doing much calculation. You see the situation, you've been there plenty of times before, and you react accordingly. You already know that your flush draw will hit 1/3 times after the flop, and 1/5 times after the turn. Fold equity and implied odds give you some cushion as well, and you've bet X amount of chips the last twenty times you were in this situation so bet X amount again.

Much of your reads are based on the HUD. The HUD stats let you classify opponent as a certain type of player. Then you put that player on a range of hands based on action that round, and his position.
You check and fold less against players who are too aggressive, and steal and fold more from players who are too passive.

For example, if my fourth table pops up and someone UTG opens for 4bb's, and I have A/J on the button, I immediately look at his PFR%. If he's raised 3% over the past 60 hands, then I'm folding with a smile on my face.
If I open with 6/6 and "Bubba" is in the hand with an aggression factor of .2, then I am continuation betting any flop, and check/folding after that unless I hit something substantial.

Really, it all comes down to being familiar with the situation and making a quick judgment.

And yes, you're less concerned with milking the mediocre situations and more concerned about exploiting the bigger misplays of the populace. So you get yourself in fewer dangerous situations that require more thought. IE, you don't want to worry about your kicker not being good.
 
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you just need a ton of poker experience in general, since with that knowledge, you encounter similar scenarios and just instinctively know what to do when its your turn to act on a table without much though.
 
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Multi tabling takes practice and experience. The best way to do it is to add a table at a time and see how/if it affects your play. The more tables you play you will find that you start to tighten up a little, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but try not to tighten up too much.

A lot of the decisions you make are easy as the majority of them are fold. Things get a little tricky if you have several tough decisions. Sometimes you can make poor decisions if you know that there are several tables waiting for you to make a decision. That's were experience kicks in as it sorta becomes instinct in knowing what you have to do.

There are several pieces of software that's available to make life easier for multi tabling. Poker Tracker with a HUD, and AHK scripts. I use betpot, stars planner, stars assistant to make multi tabling a little more automated.

Also how you set up the layout of your tables is important. I have played around with tiling, cascading and stacking. So when I'm playing 20 tables I definitely prefer cascading as opposed to tiling. I have since transferred to stacking which I find most useful now as I'm playing quite efficiently whilst 20 tabling. I have sorted a few bugs out with the AHK scripts,so when PT3 gets sorted with it's little bugs then hopefully next month I will be 24 tabling.

So go slow with the amount you add and practice.
 
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Multi tabling takes practice and experience. The best way to do it is to add a table at a time and see how/if it affects your play. The more tables you play you will find that you start to tighten up a little, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but try not to tighten up too much.

A lot of the decisions you make are easy as the majority of them are fold. Things get a little tricky if you have several tough decisions. Sometimes you can make poor decisions if you know that there are several tables waiting for you to make a decision. That's were experience kicks in as it sorta becomes instinct in knowing what you have to do.

There are several pieces of software that's available to make life easier for multi tabling. Poker Tracker with a HUD, and AHK scripts. I use betpot, stars planner, stars assistant to make multi tabling a little more automated.

Also how you set up the layout of your tables is important. I have played around with tiling, cascading and stacking. So when I'm playing 20 tables I definitely prefer cascading as opposed to tiling. I have since transferred to stacking which I find most useful now as I'm playing quite efficiently whilst 20 tabling. I have sorted a few bugs out with the AHK scripts,so when PT3 gets sorted with it's little bugs then hopefully next month I will be 24 tabling.

So go slow with the amount you add and practice.

Everything here is right, but in addition the AHK script pokerpad is good too. You can assign hotkeys to betting and folding so you can use the keyboard instead of the mouse. Usually I only do this when my hand gets tired but it's useful to have. Additionally starsplanner looks good but whenever a waiting list message pops up saying I've gotten a seat it immediately clicks the "no" for some reason rather than the "yes", so I've stopped using that.
 
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with the counting outs bit it becomes seccond nature and you just know that there are 15 outs when you have an OEFD or whatever.

whoever said zach plays a bazillion is nuts. 12- 16 is small fry compared to some chaps on 2p2 who 24 stars and then play a few on ft aswell. No offense zach ;)
 
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with the counting outs bit it becomes seccond nature and you just know that there are 15 outs when you have an OEFD or whatever.

whoever said zach plays a bazillion is nuts. 12- 16 is small fry compared to some chaps on 2p2 who 24 stars and then play a few on ft aswell. No offense zach ;)

That may be true but playing that many tables will significantly lower your winrate than say playing just 12 tables. If one could play 12 tables making 6bb/100 and play 24 tables with a 2.5/100 winrate, it would be pretty silly to be 24 tabling because 12 tables for you would be much more optimal. I'm not saying 24 tabling is a bad idea, but you should look at how it affects your winnings to see if it is even worth it.
 
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If one could play 12 tables making 6bb/100 and play 24 tables with a 2.5/100 winrate, it would be pretty silly to be 24 tabling because 12 tables for you would be much more optimal.

Getting twice the FPP's might be worth taking a hit in win rate. Especially with the various levels that compound them. IE, getting a 150% bonus is quite a bit better than getting a 100% bonus. I'm no sure what the average value of the FPP's are though, so where the point of diminishing return is, I don't know.
 
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The idea behind most ppl playing 18-24 tables as opposed to say 8-12 is this:

winrate usually decreases but not that significantly
$/hour usually increases
Increased rakeback/FPP's


FWIW my winrate was never that great 8 tabling and when I 18 table I can honestly say it's only decreased by about 0.5bb/100.
 
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The idea behind most ppl playing 18-24 tables as opposed to say 8-12 is this:

winrate usually decreases but not that significantly
$/hour usually increases
Increased rakeback/FPP's


FWIW my winrate was never that great 8 tabling and when I 18 table I can honestly say it's only decreased by about 0.5bb/100.

12 tabling my winrate is 7ptbb/100, 20 tabling i win at 5ptbb/100 but earn more $/hr.
 
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If you want to practice with a lot of tables at once, just try signing up for all the freerolls you can on all the different sites. You can end up with 5 or more going at once, but since it's not costing you anything, it doesn't matter if you get all flustered...
For real money I currently just single-table, but happily play a mix of freerolls when I'm just wanting some fun (I'll have Limit Holdem, Limit Omaha High/Low, Stud and NL Holdem all going at the same time, just for giggles).
 
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Multi-tabling is not easy. It's not recommended when learning a game because you spend more time making sure you don't time out then actually making a good decision. Also, mistakes can be more common.

It's ok to just 1 table...start slowly (add 1 table at a time) and only add if you are comfortable. A good monitor (or 2) helps too.

Most players get more money an hour, but lower money/hand played.
 
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