Hand Reading / Villain 3-bet Cont. Ranges

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TheCourtesyFlush

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I'm just starting out with learning hand reading, and I've been working on James Sweeney's CORE program and I've got a question. When deciding whether to 3-bet someone, say they have vpip: 20 / pfr: 16 / fold to 3-bet: 60 / 4-bet: 3.

So they raised, which gives them roughly a 16% range, now to know whether I should 3-bet for value, I need to know the range they would call my 3-bet with so I can make sure I'm ahead of it. Would I just take the opposite of their fold to 3-bet (so 40%) in this case, then take the top 40% of their pfr range combos to give me their continuing range? Then use their 4-bet% to determine the percentage of combos they'd 4-bet with?

Am I understanding this right? If so, I'll be practicing it a lot off the table before I try to do it in a real game. I know there are other things to consider when 3-betting, but I'm specifically concerned with creating a continuing range. I also know I'll need a good sample size, at least 500 hands before fold to 3-bet is accurate, probably more like 1000 hands for 4-bet numbers.

Thanks for any help/advice.
 
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You can use combonator to work on ranges.
https://combonator.com/

plug in a 20% range pre which is roughly
22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

then go to postflop and find a 40% continue range accounting for some 4bet bluffs.

4bet bluffs
A5s-A2s

flatting range
99+,AJs+,KJs+,QJs,AQo+,KQo


Given standard preflop bet sizes the minimum defense frequency is around 28% calls 72% folds vs a 3bet.So i always think it's helpful to know those ranges to work from as'well assigning a standard Tag preflop rfi range.
 
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Just to point out those ranges might not be that accurate to actual ranges i just plugged in rough ranges as an example.You need to play about with the combos of hands you think villain defends with as 4bets and calls.
 
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It is true that these statistics are good, but try to take into account position, the level of blinds, stack your villain to make a good decision to 3bet or 3bet light.

Lately I'm riding my arsenal of moves for each stack, from 10 BBs and is helping me a lot.
 
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Thanks Mettagame, that helps quite a bit.
It is true that these statistics are good, but try to take into account position, the level of blinds, stack your villain to make a good decision to 3bet or 3bet light.

Lately I'm riding my arsenal of moves for each stack, from 10 BBs and is helping me a lot.

I'm pretty new to poker, so I don't think I'm the person to be answering any questions yet, but I've been studying a ton so I'll give it a shot.

Yes, there are quite a few things to consider. You mentioned some, but some others include the types of people to act behind you (Is somebody going to shove over your 3-bet?), how villain plays postflop (Does he fold way to much to flop c-bet, turn c-bet, etc), past hand reading (What is his 3-bet calling range?) and equity (Am I ahead of that range?)

I'm not actually considering all of these yet, it's a bit much. :) But I'm working on learning to consider all of them while doing hand reviews. Maybe I'll figure this game out yet. :)

Good luck.
 
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