Early 3bet-fold

[killing_random]

Is 3bet-folding is worst for us at early tournament's state (when there still many players left at the table) rather than at the bubble?
Then we should 3bet-call repushes more often and win or bust right away, rather than become smallest stack at the table so early... Or what?

 

[fundiver199]

Early in the tournament stacks are typically deep, and against the vast majority of opponents we need to have hands, that 3-bet but fold to a 4-bet. Otherwise we are either not 3-betting them enough, or we are paying off their 4-bets with to many bad hands. In reality people dont 4-bet bluff all that much, so its totally fine to take a hand like AJo or AQo and 3-bet it but then fold to a 4-bet.

Yes we lost maybe 7BB, but often we also protected ourselfes from getting into a reverse implied odds situation, when we flop top pair, but they have us outkicked with AK, or they have an overpair. While "information" is never the main purpose of a bet or raise, it is actually a usefull side product. If we just flatcall with AJ or AQ, they have still have their entire opening range, but when we ask them a question by 3-betting them, and they respond with a 4-bet, we can usually narrow down their range a lot.

 

[killing_random]

Early in the tournament stacks are typically deep, and against the vast majority of opponents we need to have hands, that 3-bet but fold to a 4-bet. Otherwise we are either not 3-betting them enough, or we are paying off their 4-bets with to many bad hands. In reality people dont 4-bet bluff all that much, so its totally fine to take a hand like AJo or AQo and 3-bet it but then fold to a 4-bet.

Yes we lost maybe 7BB, but often we also protected ourselfes from getting into a reverse implied odds situation, when we flop top pair, but they have us outkicked with AK, or they have an overpair. While "information" is never the main purpose of a bet or raise, it is actually a usefull side product. If we just flatcall with AJ or AQ, they have still have their entire opening range, but when we ask them a question by 3-betting them, and they respond with a 4-bet, we can usually narrow down their range a lot.

More certain, I ask because some dude on his stream made a rather shitty call on purpose, explaining, that with so much people left its a bet-call and if there at least five or less then it would be bet-fold.



And I still don't get it :hmmmm2:

 

[Stickyfish]

More certain, I ask because some dude on his stream made a rather shitty call on purpose, explaining, that with so much people left its a bet-call and if there at least five or less then it would be bet-fold.

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And I still don't get it :hmmmm2:

I think this is not a tournament it is SnG.
And the action is like UTG limps, CUT OFF raises 4bb(standard), and then Big blind jams 15 bbs.
So he is getting like 2:1 odds to make this call i.e at least 33% equity.
With 15bb if this is big blind shoving range 66+, A5s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A7o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo
Calling with KQo is +EV cause he will have like 47% equity.

 

[killing_random]

I think this is not a tournament it is SnG.
And the action is like UTG limps, CUT OFF raises 4bb(standard), and then Big blind jams 15 bbs.
So he is getting like 2:1 odds to make this call i.e at least 33% equity.
With 15bb if this is big blind shoving range 66+, A5s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A7o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo
Calling with KQo is +EV cause he will have like 47% equity.

...But I still don't get what the number of players left has to do with that.

 

[Luvepoker]

Its really more about the player we are against. I can easily fold my 3 bet deep or late in a tournament depending on the player. There are some people who will push widely and others only aces and kings. Its fine to fold though.