Do you know how bad you are?

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I think everyone has a range of play, from their A game to a much worse version of their game. It's easy when you're running bad to think it's bad luck, and for sure sometimes it will be. How do you tell if you're playing well or not? Can you always tell? Do you notice when are playing badly but still winning? What are the things you catch yourself doing that make you think "Okay, that was a bad choice?"

Here are some of my answers: I think I can usually tell when I'm playing poorly relative to my game in general. There's always room to improve my game in general, but there's a big difference between my A game and my C- game. I can absolutely identify some bad plays, even when they work out well for me. The main thing that I look at if I'm trying to figure out if I'm playing well or not are 1) am I making plans or am I acting on impulse? and 2) am I choosing based on thoughts or feelings? If the answer is impulse and feelings, then I am not playing well. I think I sometimes don't notice playing poorly when I am winning, but in specific hands I can often say "well that worked out better than it had any right to" to myself, and take note not to make the same mistake again. I don't think loosing a big pot with a set to a bigger set is necessarily bad play. I don't think getting a bluff called or going for a hero call and being wrong are necessarily bad plays

I think the worst thing I catch myself doing is ignoring my own reads. The other day I had a guy pegged as a super-nit. He had a VPIP of 6% on a 6max table over lots of hands, and he raised my BB from the button. I had JJ, and against a random opponent that's an easy 3bet. I should have flatted against this guy, but instead I 3bet and he 4bet. I called and the flop was low. Neither of us had many chips left, so I shoved, he called and showed aces. According to my read of him, the worst he had was QQ, but I didn't play accordingly. I knew I played the hand poorly, not because it would have been wrong to 3bet normally, but because this guy had done me the favor of telling me exactly what types of hands he played, and I didn't listen.
 
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In my case, it all depends on my mood. If I am in a bad mood, I will play badly. If the mood is good, then I will play well and the game will definitely bring me pleasure regardless of the result.
 
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I think everyone has a range of play, from their A game to a much worse version of their game. It's easy when you're running bad to think it's bad luck, and for sure sometimes it will be. How do you tell if you're playing well or not? Can you always tell? Do you notice when are playing badly but still winning? What are the things you catch yourself doing that make you think "Okay, that was a bad choice?"

Here are some of my answers: I think I can usually tell when I'm playing poorly relative to my game in general. There's always room to improve my game in general, but there's a big difference between my A game and my C- game. I can absolutely identify some bad plays, even when they work out well for me. The main thing that I look at if I'm trying to figure out if I'm playing well or not are 1) am I making plans or am I acting on impulse? and 2) am I choosing based on thoughts or feelings? If the answer is impulse and feelings, then I am not playing well. I think I sometimes don't notice playing poorly when I am winning, but in specific hands I can often say "well that worked out better than it had any right to" to myself, and take note not to make the same mistake again. I don't think loosing a big pot with a set to a bigger set is necessarily bad play. I don't think getting a bluff called or going for a hero call and being wrong are necessarily bad plays

I think the worst thing I catch myself doing is ignoring my own reads. The other day I had a guy pegged as a super-nit. He had a VPIP of 6% on a 6max table over lots of hands, and he raised my BB from the button. I had JJ, and against a random opponent that's an easy 3bet. I should have flatted against this guy, but instead I 3bet and he 4bet. I called and the flop was low. Neither of us had many chips left, so I shoved, he called and showed aces. According to my read of him, the worst he had was QQ, but I didn't play accordingly. I knew I played the hand poorly, not because it would have been wrong to 3bet normally, but because this guy had done me the favor of telling me exactly what types of hands he played, and I didn't listen.
This is a very good point you brought. Yes, I’m aware of how bad I am: I don’t use the Nemo as an avatar for ironic reasons, I use it because I really see myself as a fish.
This thing about ignoring our instincts is amazing: I used to do a lot in the past, I knew I was losing but felt that I should go for some unexplained motive.
Sometimes we catch ourselves in the need for leveling against our opponents, and this is not the reason we play poker: we do not play poker to show something fancy to ourselves or anyone else, we play poker to try to win as much as possible.
As you said, why we would be ever leveling against a NIT? We know that most of times these guys will have us dominated, but we led ourselves being driven by emotions, not logic and this is leveling.
Leveling is another word for situations where we are entering some insane meta-thinking and we find a brutal logic for doing so.
But you already recognized that you acted on impulse and this is a huge step in the ladder for improving.
You might find strange but I like to use Play Money tables to test my psychology: if I’m doing well playing money I will do well at real money.
There are many things that would make me play by impulse: the need to play anytime I can, like poker is some fun video game to entertain our minds, and poker is not that kind of game to have pure fun, to play when I was sick, distracted, tired, sad for personal reasons, or too much happy, to play to show to my friends and girlfriend that “I’m the one”, to play listening to music or watching TV, well are thousands of things, playing when our house is full of people chatting, you name it.
One of the major problems is when we get ourselves playing badly and we cannot stop playing. Well, I play poker for a couple of years, had tilted several times and stay away of the tables for years to solve this problem.
What can I say is that as long as you are in the path of recognition, you are doing well.
 
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Yes i know how bad i am all i have to do is look in the mirror and there it is now as for the game i only have to look at my bank roll and this tells the whole story if it's up i'm good if it's down i'm bad.
As for the cards well we can only play with the ones we're dealt and hope for the best result don't try to over think it it won't help.
Most of us won't be poker pros this takes a lot of time,practice,patience,luck and of course a shit ton of money but it sure don't hurt to dream.
I know i'll keep trying and who knows maybe i'll even get to be on TV :rolleyes: without the handcuffs this time :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.
 
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I often see that I did something wrong, but it's amazing that at the moment when I made that silly move, I had a strong conviction or something similar, and a few seconds later that conviction strangely disappeared. Whether it's emotions, foolishness, or lack of practice, I don't know, but reading your post and seeing your reflections on your situation, I think that even after making such a move, you are generally a good player, and that's what matters most!
 
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There are moves that I realize I shouldn't have made, but it's hard to know if you're playing badly. If we put some criteria like results, then it masks the performance. But there are tables where the guys play so clueless that even if you play well, you won't get satisfactory results.
 
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As soon as I lost, I realize the :unsure::geek:"Varience" makes me look prety bad,, !
 
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It really sucks when the opponent shows us his strength and we still decide to challenge him because we have some equity.

I believe that this move would fit the fold because you have already tested the strength of his hand pre-flop and with 6% VPIP I doubt very much that we will find less than JJ+ or AKs+ in a 4-bet... maybe smaller pairs in specific spots ... no more than that.

Maybe there's a lack of discipline... I also get good readings but when it comes to execution I always have a little flea behind my ear.

I usually forget to look at how bad I am because we always have a lot of players at the table showing that they are worse. LOL
 
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I think everyone has a range of play, from their A game to a much worse version of their game. It's easy when you're running bad to think it's bad luck, and for sure sometimes it will be. How do you tell if you're playing well or not? Can you always tell? Do you notice when are playing badly but still winning? What are the things you catch yourself doing that make you think "Okay, that was a bad choice?"

Here are some of my answers: I think I can usually tell when I'm playing poorly relative to my game in general. There's always room to improve my game in general, but there's a big difference between my A game and my C- game. I can absolutely identify some bad plays, even when they work out well for me. The main thing that I look at if I'm trying to figure out if I'm playing well or not are 1) am I making plans or am I acting on impulse? and 2) am I choosing based on thoughts or feelings? If the answer is impulse and feelings, then I am not playing well. I think I sometimes don't notice playing poorly when I am winning, but in specific hands I can often say "well that worked out better than it had any right to" to myself, and take note not to make the same mistake again. I don't think loosing a big pot with a set to a bigger set is necessarily bad play. I don't think getting a bluff called or going for a hero call and being wrong are necessarily bad plays

I think the worst thing I catch myself doing is ignoring my own reads. The other day I had a guy pegged as a super-nit. He had a VPIP of 6% on a 6max table over lots of hands, and he raised my BB from the button. I had JJ, and against a random opponent that's an easy 3bet. I should have flatted against this guy, but instead I 3bet and he 4bet. I called and the flop was low. Neither of us had many chips left, so I shoved, he called and showed aces. According to my read of him, the worst he had was QQ, but I didn't play accordingly. I knew I played the hand poorly, not because it would have been wrong to 3bet normally, but because this guy had done me the favor of telling me exactly what types of hands he played, and I didn't listen.
One of my friends refers to such a situation as "The Encounter of the Patient and the Curious."
 
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It’s not you who plays poker, but the card, and no matter how hard you try with your experience and skill, the card on the river will decide who turned out to be lucky, you or your opponent.
 
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Very interesting thread.

I think there's some black and white with my game when just recently I 3-bet jammed AQs for 15 BBs against CO and he revealed KK. On the other hand, I also made some light calls from tight opponents in a PKO to go after the bounties and didn't get lucky. 😅

But in between there's also a lot of grey stuff which needs some progress to either put into the black or white boxes.

I think it's important to reflect on your game indeed, otherwise you cannot improve.

So, to answer your question:
To some extent yes but probably not to the full. 🙃
 
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a very important topic
i know how bad i am the problem is what to do after
 
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I think I stopped evolving and studying in poker, which certainly made me go back a lot in my game level.
 
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it is, what it is, sometimes I really enjoy a good crazy game of poker, but sometimes I just play my hands. I can behave myself, and I know when to take a break. Playing poker with the right people is just as important as playing good cards. That's why I always try to find the best players out there. Nothing beats a great game of poker! but sometimes I am just playing besides working and throw my chips away. So I might be between the worst and quite a catch...
 
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It’s not you who plays poker, but the card, and no matter how hard you try with your experience and skill, the card on the river will decide who turned out to be lucky, you or your opponent.

I understand. For me... this ^ would re-affirm just how truly bad I am at playing poker.
 
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As a poker player, I am fully aware of my flaws and points to improve. I recognize that I make mistakes during games, such as making impulsive or emotion-based decisions. Sometimes I also lack patience and end up getting involved in hands that aren't worth it. In addition, I need to work on my ability to read opponents and my bankroll management, avoiding excessive betting or playing at limits that don't match my current skill. However, these failures are opportunities for learning and growth. I am determined to improve my game, study strategies, analyze my mistakes and correct them. Poker is a constant challenge, and I'm committed to overcoming my limitations and becoming a stronger, more consistent player.
 
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Usually i can quickly identify bad play vs luck but its still too late...
 
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Variance can and will be the death of many great poker players but when you as a poker player can realize you're playing badly and either fix it quickly or just quitting the game and the good ones. There have been days I wanted to play but I could tell I was not playing well. I will not sing up for more games and just call it a day once its over. Other times I am playing well when something happens and my mood changes for some reason. IE bad beat or just a mood change. I just once again stop playing. If I am in a game and eep and start to time, I will actually stop playing for a few minutes and just re-focus myself and do what I can to calm down before playing again. Many time I have gotten myself into a better frame of mind and gone on to finish of the games I am in and doing well.
 
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I know i'll keep trying and who knows maybe i'll even get to be on TV :rolleyes: without the handcuffs this time :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

This comment intrigues me. Care to elaborate? I hope there is footage to share Michael 😅
 
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Do you know how bad you are?​


I know I'm a bad tournament player, but I don't even know how bad I am. And I found the topic's question interesting, because I think most bad players also don't know how bad they are, because they don't even have an idea of the wrong things they do, and that makes them bad players.
 
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I know I'm a bad tournament player, but I don't even know how bad I am. And I found the topic's question interesting, because I think most bad players also don't know how bad they are, because they don't even have an idea of the wrong things they do, and that makes them bad players.
I think this is true. I know there have been plenty of times when I've looked at a player and thought "wow, you really don't understand poker" because of the way they played a certain spot (playing the sb comes to mind), only to later think "wait, I was the stupid one". They were playing well and I just was too bad to understand it. I sometimes find myself on the other side of that, where players criticize my choices and think I'm playing poorly because they don't know better.
 
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Hello friend, the truth is that yes, the most unfortunate thing is that sometimes I keep making the same mistakes in the same phases of the tournament, but well, I hope to learn from my mistakes and improve as a player to become a professional. I hope to achieve this great goal. greetings
 
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