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My question is how to do become i better tourney player in the mid to late stages when running deep i always seem to bust around 27 players i always fall at the last hurdle its been id say 2 years since i won a mirco stakes tourney/made a final table am i really that bad of a player?? any tips for getting more deep runs would be useful thanks
 
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I have the same problem/question. My guess is that to reach a final table you have to have a big stack. When I play I try to not take big risks and I kinda suck at stealing blinds with nothing so by playing patiently I manage to be into the money but not into the good money positions. So I either blinded out or take coinflips to not get blinded out and lose. During tourneys my stack tend to be at the average side while I see people with 4×stacks than mine. I believe the problem is playing too nitty. So, do you have a big stack and lose it because of bad plays or you just never build quite a stack too?
 
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I agree with Spaceman. You likely need to play more aggressively in the middle stages of the tournament to build a big stack. This will likely mean you will cash less but when you do it will be for a much larger amount since the payouts are so heavily weighted towards the top.
 
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thanks for all your input much appreciated
 
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Try to work on accumulating more chips, try to understand the villans better, and try to find a reason to play the hand.
 
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2 years is relative. Are you playing multiple tournaments per day or a few a week? How big the field? If you are playing a few huge tournaments here and there, it could be just variance. On the other hand, when players constantly fail to make it deep, I think they are probably missing opportunities to double up. If that's the case, I'd advice studying some push fold charts and use them as a guideline.
 
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Later you need to bluff more to get more balance if you are low balance but if you are good balance just play safe and wait strong hands.
 
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I've never seen you play, so I cant really tell you what the issue is. What I can say is most players that bubble a lot, or don't make the money. Have an issue with their push fold range....

Also, keep in mind a profitable MTT player will make the money only 30% of the time, make the final table 10-15% of the time, and will win a Whopping 1.5% of the time.
 
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i have been studying push fold charts im seeing a difference in my play feeling more comfortable how many tourneys do you recommend i play a day i play mostly micros they do have huge fields but i like to try play at off peak times with smaller fields sometimes i get to aggressive like check shoving with bottom pair gets me into trouble alot when is the right time to be aggressive in your opinions
 
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Any good links for the push fold charts
 
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You need to be aggressive in the later portions of a tourney and find opportunities to steal pots. Pay attention in the earlier rounds and as the game progresses find the players that tighten up and become passive. Take advantage of them
 
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You have to look at the whole picture of tournament play and results. Your playing style, the tournament structure and level. And payouts as well as ROi. Payouts generally start at 10% and can go up to a whooping 30% at times but average is 10-14%. It's not only import to get ITM but you're going to half to reach the higher payouts to increase your ROi.

Your play is going to pick up during the mid to late stages has you get to go against smaller stacks. Or you're going to have to pick a spot to shove if you're the short stack.

As far as not making it to the money, that seems a little long. I didn't have a cash in love tournament in a year maybe but then I only played 3-4 times total. Even playing hundreds of free rolls I have about 3% cash rate in a years time. About 15 out of 500. I count any cash as a win. You should win one just out of pure statistical fluke. Depending on the number played.
 
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apparently, you need to do more deep passes in the tournaments !!! unfortunately, it's impossible to always get to the final table, even if you went very far! today I took 27th place, of course, it's a pity that I went with AA and lost, but I know that I did everything right, and therefore my success is yet to come !!!
 
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view point in this varies from player to player but if you watch professionals on twitch and join their tutorials you will see that if you want that big pot tightening up close to the bubble can cost you in the long run. Most final table players have already risked more to attain larger stacks whereas you probably tighten up too much and lose traction. You may end games in less money positions but the games you hit you will end up winning a bigger pot.
 
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Usually people with this problem either:

1. Aren't aggressive enough

2. Aren't playing enough hands (too tight)

The field really separates in the middle of the tournament when the antes start. This is the point you need to be more aggressive and widen your range because there is more money in the pot. The odds change considerably because of the extra money. You need to take more chances at this stage also. This is where I usually have a coin flip or 2.
 
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Well first you gotta understand ICM, and be constantly adjusting your range accordingly. Then Memorize those ranges. Also you gotta go back and review your hands, find your leaks, ask yourself why you did what you did on every street, with every hand you play. If you cant anwser the question yourself. then ask someone else that you know is a profitable player.

Now I know this isnt the greatest advice, but I would say. Stop thinking so hard about it and just play. Stop worrying about the money and just play. If you understand ICM, Push Fold Ranges, and how to adjust. stop worrying about "not winning for the past 2 years" and just play your game. then go back and review. that's the only way you will get better.
 
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I have seen some good advice here. Last year I went on a tear and cashed in about 60% of the tournaments I was playing in live. Not big money but about 90 to 100 players. I haven’t won or cashed in more than 10% in the last 8 months. I feel some of it might be just bad cards but I also feel like I am not being aggressive enough now. I will look at the ICM chart adjust. Thanks all for the advice.
 
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Really tighten up your range and play when down to the last 20 or 30 players in huge tournament field the majority of the time they are the patient types or better players A game is required here good luck.
 
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It often happens that we take off in chips at early or middle stages, and most of those players fall at the end. Why? There is a psychological factor, which believes that by going first part of the tournament money belongs to you, and every hand that you do not win feels that you are doing things wrong, letting go of the prizes. Well this is not so, the tournament does not end until it ends. And the prize does not belong to anyone for more difference in chips you have. My recommendation when you are in these situations is that you concentrate, tell yourself: I am in an unbeatable situation: now I must take things with more patience and not throw away chips. If you use that thinking approach, you will undoubtedly reach the final table. It has helped me.
 
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