Always in the money never in the final table

[eurosTotnd]

hello im playing micro stakes tourney and freerolls for a while now , tournments i play have always large field 300 players + .
My problem is that im often in the money but never in the final table i always bust when 20% or 30% of the players left , i cannot handle the blind pressure when it becomes too high and that makes me nervous when i bust specially when i pass 2hours + in the tourney session , any advices guys?

 

[manzanillo53]

Large field is 1,000 or more, 300 is a pretty small field. If you make it to the money in 300 field that is normally the final table. I will assume that you change up your game without realizing it. Stick to the basics ones you get that far and watch the all in's. enjoy

 

[P86]

Well 10% of the field is in the money which make it harder is the pressure i think but after the bubble burst try to be tight for the first 45 minutes then you have a chance for a final table

 

[TheDude6622]

hello im playing micro stakes tourney and freerolls for a while now , tournments i play have always large field 300 players + .
My problem is that im often in the money but never in the final table i always bust when 20% or 30% of the players left , i cannot handle the blind pressure when it becomes too high and that makes me nervous when i bust specially when i pass 2hours + in the tourney session , any advices guys?

I suggest diversifying your game by playing different things. I would give a SnG a shot. It's a much smaller tournament style that can help you get that winning feeling.

 

[pentazepam]

Once you are down to 15bb stop over-folding. And don't play just to get in the money.

Usually push or fold by some chart if you don't have a good read to play differently.

See for example: https://floattheturn.com/wp/pushfold/

 

[infonazar]

There is only one tip. Try to be less aggressive and more patient. Wait for strong cards and use your position at the table.

 

[eurosTotnd]

Once you are down to 15bb stop over-folding. And don't play just to get in the money.

Usually push or fold by some chart if you don't have a good read to play differently.

See for example: https://floattheturn.com/wp/pushfold/

thank you for the charts <3

 

[SAKhur]

hello im playing micro stakes tourney and freerolls for a while now , tournments i play have always large field 300 players + .
My problem is that im often in the money but never in the final table i always bust when 20% or 30% of the players left , i cannot handle the blind pressure when it becomes too high and that makes me nervous when i bust specially when i pass 2hours + in the tourney session , any advices guys?

You're talking about the late stage of the tournament. It comes when bubble approaches and lasts until the final table. Your aggression should rapidly gain momentum. All the rest begin to drop normal hands, if only not to get involved in anything and see out to prizes. You have to play aggressively !:boxing:

 

[praevus]

Probably you play very tight after ITM so when you are in ITM you are short stack.
Sometimes you have to decide if you want ITM or FT or win the tournament. If you want win the tournament or FT probably you have to play more agressive after ITM.

 

[whiskers77]

Actually, you are doing pretty good, when you reach the payouts. MTTs have such a high variance compared to SNGs, for example.
Maybe you should analyze more your bubble time game. Can you extract some more chips from others before bubble by increasing pressure on to others before bubble bursts?
And how is your post-bubble game? Are you to overwhelmed and get into too many pots with the shorties?

 

[ToNy70929]

After the bubble burst, wait out the game allin from players with small steaks. Be patient, play on premium cards by position. You will be able to wait out the departure of players and become closer to the final table

 

[Alfaomega]

Try to be less aggressive and more patient, wait for strong cards.

 

[eetenor]

Tilt is devious

hello im playing micro stakes tourney and freerolls for a while now , tournments i play have always large field 300 players + .
My problem is that im often in the money but never in the final table i always bust when 20% or 30% of the players left , i cannot handle the blind pressure when it becomes too high and that makes me nervous when i bust specially when i pass 2hours + in the tourney session , any advices guys?

Thank U 4 Posting

If you are getting nervous you are becoming emotional and you will take emotional not rational actions.

Read Jared Tendlers books "The Mental Game of Poker" Vol 1 & 2

Players who final table more often also bust out of tournaments earlier more often. If you are not trying to build large pots when you have big draws for instance you are not trying to final table. You have to get all-in on 50/50 hands in tournaments you cannot wait for 70/30 spots only.

Hope this helps

 

[manzanillo53]

Thank U 4 Posting

If you are getting nervous you are becoming emotional and you will take emotional not rational actions.

Read Jared Tendlers books "The Mental Game of Poker" Vol 1 & 2

Players who final table more often also bust out of tournaments earlier more often. If you are not trying to build large pots when you have big draws for instance you are not trying to final table. You have to get all-in on 50/50 hands in tournaments you cannot wait for 70/30 spots only.

Hope this helps

Great advice for me also thanks, I wait for 90/10 and I still get beat, I mentioned in another post my big problem is I play not to loose. So how is that working out for me, not.

 

[delirium1129]

That means just you'r playing well when effective stack size is 50-100bb and you'r playing bad when effective stack size is <30bb even when your stack is 1000 bb ))

 

[eurosTotnd]

That means just you'r playing well when effective stack size is 50-100bb and you'r playing bad when effective stack size is <30bb even when your stack is 1000 bb ))

i will try to adjust using charts for pushing ranges from 5 > 20 BB , i think this will help me to improve my results and also i will try to be more agressive in the future and ill search for some spots to steal BB specially from the medium stacks players ty all

 

[Bluffzone68]

There is only one tip. Try to be less aggressive and more patient. Wait for strong cards and use your position at the table.

Hey
I respect your opiniom
In my opinion and experience, sitting and waiting for premium hands at that point of time will only be a disaster as the blinds will eat you up.

What I try to do is go all in and steal the blinds.

Better to fight and lose than to just die out.

Also with your stack shrinking every hand with the antes, any big stack will call your AK and beat you with a small pair.

 

[Bluffzone68]

i will try to adjust using charts for pushing ranges from 5 > 20 BB , i think this will help me to improve my results and also i will try to be more agressive in the future and ill search for some spots to steal BB specially from the medium stacks players ty all

Hello
I totally agree with you.

Thats the best thing to do.

 

[johnny tigre]

It also happens to me. When i get in the money, and the blinds becomes big i usually get lost in the betting game. I think we need to study how to bet correctly when the blinds get really high.
I hate doing the poker math most experienced players discuss here in the forum. It gives me headache hehe

 

[finaltable1]

hello im playing micro stakes tourney and freerolls for a while now , tournments i play have always large field 300 players + .
My problem is that im often in the money but never in the final table i always bust when 20% or 30% of the players left , i cannot handle the blind pressure when it becomes too high and that makes me nervous when i bust specially when i pass 2hours + in the tourney session , any advices guys?

You have the same problem like players who can't play 2-4-6-8 tables at the same time. YOu find it hard? Then you need to know that body and mind are getting used to anything during 3 weeks. If you can't play well at 6 tables at the same time, then practice by playing 9-10 tables for 3 weeks. It will be hard, nearly impossible, but you'll be used to it during 3 weeks and when you'll feel yourself comfortable at 10 tables it's great time to step down to 6 tables, cause that was your goal, so after having hard times playing 10 tables you will be surprised that 6 tables is a bit boring and slow.

Now back to your question - You have to change gears during the tournament, depending on stage. When you're in the money it's time to play more loose and more aggressive, specially against those who prefer to play tight. You have to steal blinds even with trash hands, if your hand is 27os, but you are in late position and remaining players are tight and not really aggressive then you have to BET and steal their blinds! You also have to punish the limpers, if they limp being in the money it means that their hand is weak, they want to play post-flop and see if their suited connectors or weak aces/kings/queens might hit. DON'T ALLOW THEM! Punish the limpers as often as possible when you're in the money. You need to see weak players and use their weaknesses to increase your stack. Such players often prefer to wait, they spend their time bank, they want to limp or see the flop for cheap, such players prefer to stay away from pre-flop allins.

Split the tourney in 3 main stages 1) starting stage 2) in the money 3) final table
during the starting stage you're playing tight, your main goal is to grow your stack and enter stage 2... during the second stage you're main goal is to grow your stack for the final table, this is the time when you have to bluff often, you need to appear strong when you're weak, and appear weak when you're strong, and use it against the right opponents. It's good to change switch gears again and play tighter game when your stack is big enough and you're close to the final, cause payjumps are sweeter during this stage, but when you're entering stage2 payjumps are small, so you can play risky loose/aggressive style. Stage 3 is the most important, cause most of the prize pool money are there and payjumps are really nice, so it's great to switch gears again to very tight and very aggressive. You can keep sitting at the table with 10-7-5-3BB stack, cause anything can happen now, you can see several people busting before you and you can also have progression working for you, in just 2 double ups your 5bb stack will be 25BB stack... Keep it in mind and wait for premium monster hand until it's possible, and let other players do mistakes.

 

[eurosTotnd]

You have the same problem like players who can't play 2-4-6-8 tables at the same time. YOu find it hard? Then you need to know that body and mind are getting used to anything during 3 weeks. If you can't play well at 6 tables at the same time, then practice by playing 9-10 tables for 3 weeks. It will be hard, nearly impossible, but you'll be used to it during 3 weeks and when you'll feel yourself comfortable at 10 tables it's great time to step down to 6 tables, cause that was your goal, so after having hard times playing 10 tables you will be surprised that 6 tables is a bit boring and slow.

Now back to your question - You have to change gears during the tournament, depending on stage. When you're in the money it's time to play more loose and more aggressive, specially against those who prefer to play tight. You have to steal blinds even with trash hands, if your hand is 27os, but you are in late position and remaining players are tight and not really aggressive then you have to BET and steal their blinds! You also have to punish the limpers, if they limp being in the money it means that their hand is weak, they want to play post-flop and see if their suited connectors or weak aces/kings/queens might hit. DON'T ALLOW THEM! Punish the limpers as often as possible when you're in the money. You need to see weak players and use their weaknesses to increase your stack. Such players often prefer to wait, they spend their time bank, they want to limp or see the flop for cheap, such players prefer to stay away from pre-flop allins.

Split the tourney in 3 main stages 1) starting stage 2) in the money 3) final table
during the starting stage you're playing tight, your main goal is to grow your stack and enter stage 2... during the second stage you're main goal is to grow your stack for the final table, this is the time when you have to bluff often, you need to appear strong when you're weak, and appear weak when you're strong, and use it against the right opponents. It's good to change switch gears again and play tighter game when your stack is big enough and you're close to the final, cause payjumps are sweeter during this stage, but when you're entering stage2 payjumps are small, so you can play risky loose/aggressive style. Stage 3 is the most important, cause most of the prize pool money are there and payjumps are really nice, so it's great to switch gears again to very tight and very aggressive. You can keep sitting at the table with 10-7-5-3BB stack, cause anything can happen now, you can see several people busting before you and you can also have progression working for you, in just 2 double ups your 5bb stack will be 25BB stack... Keep it in mind and wait for premium monster hand until it's possible, and let other players do mistakes.

Thank you for this complete answer , thank you fro the effort ill try to apply every advice

 

[aGreen]

Tnx for that qustion and answers, i got some impriove.

 

[KristaK]

hi hi
you guys very fortunate achieve deep runs & final tables
i seldom attain that far *sighs*
ty repliers for solid advice, i look the push/fold chart - makes my head explode lol

 

[infonazar]

Hey
I respect your opiniom
In my opinion and experience, sitting and waiting for premium hands at that point of time will only be a disaster as the blinds will eat you up.

What I try to do is go all in and steal the blinds.

Better to fight and lose than to just die out.

Also with your stack shrinking every hand with the antes, any big stack will call your AK and beat you with a small pair.

that is why you never go to the final table....

 

[Bluffzone68]

that is why you never go to the final table....

Hmmm.
Looks like you are offended.
Your opinion is your and I respect that.