This is a discussion on Was all-in the right choice? within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; 9 players on the table, blinds are 300/600
I'm UTG with QhQc. My stack is 20426.
I raise to 1500.
SB raises to 7140
BB goes all
I raise to 1500.
SB raises to 7140
BB goes all in for 60069
I call with my remaining stack of 18926
SB shows AsAh, BB has KdKs
Flop: 10c 5s Ad
Obviously I lose. Was the call the right choice after the raise from SB and the shove from BB? Or would you have folded your QQ in this situation?
I don't think you can really get away from losing in this hand, no matter what you do. I certainly would never fold QQ pre flop. The only thing that could save you would be the Ad coming flop, you might be able to fold QQ at this point if you are not already pot committed.
Any time you lose to AA with KK or QQ you just have to accept it. The only thing you could learn from this hand is to consider what hand you would fold to the BB all-in. Would you fold JJ?, TT? 99? I would be folding 99, JJ/TT I am not so sure, if know more about my opponents I might call or fold these depending on the situation.
Personally for me, you just got a badbeat and played just right. I'm not sure exactly but this is what I think. Let's see what the others have to say.
Was there any info/notes/stats/anything else you might know about your opponents? Are they decent players who can realize that UTG raising from you means you really have a hand? And how much was the buy-in? If you didn't have any additional info about the way how SB and BB play, then you was right, I guess.
The only thing I don't like is raising 2.5 bb from UTG with queens when there was 9 players at the table and you have about 34 bb. I would say much better would be 3.5 or 4 big blinds.
Thereís very few times where folding QQ is correct. This is not one of those times, Iím never folding QQ here with this stack size and blind amount. You were very unlucky to have the 3rd best starting hand while the small and big bling had the 1st and second best hands. This is unfortunate and a cooler hand. Not much you can do here but call and see the bad news. Very unlucky timing for QQ.
The key factor is your stack. There are definitely times to fold QQ pre-flop at 100bb+. For example, if you raise UTG and face very tight players raising and re-raising you from mid position, then folding would usually be the best option at 100bb.
At 35bb, you should almost always be willing to get it all-in pre-flop with QQ and here you played the hand just right
A cold 4-bet is always somewhat concerning. But I agree that with 35BB effective, we have to call it off with QQ. Maybe we are not loving it, but folding is simply to tight. Especially in a freeroll, where some players are just looking to gamble it up and "go strong or go home". If this was my first time to play a major tournament like Sunday Millions, and it was near the bubble, then maybe I consider folding though.
A cold 4-bet is always somewhat concerning. But I agree that with 35BB effective, we have to call it off with QQ. Maybe we are not loving it, but folding is simply to tight. Especially in a freeroll, where some players are just looking to gamble it up and "go strong or go home". If it was my first time to play a major tournament like Sunday Millions, and it was near the bubble, then maybe I consider folding though.
That's a great point, my saying "almost always" is too strong -- there are plenty of times in bubble/payjump spots where you can fold.