Should I have been calling here?

TheNoob

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This was one of those hands that I won, but I thought maybe I shouldn't be in.

Is there a simple way for you to explain the odds calculations that would help me to decide to call or fold here?

(I thought my raise from the CO was correct. Please advise if you disagree).



Stacks:
* SB with $10.00
* BB with $25.65
* UTG with $25.35
* MP with $47.20
* CO with $37.40
* BTN with $39.30

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to BB:7♠ 7♦
* * Sklansky group 5
Preflop:
* * 1 players fold.
* * CO raises to $0.85
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.75]
* * 1 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $1.95
Flop:
* * 4♠ J♠ 6♦
* * Hero checks
* * CO checks
* * Potsize: $1.95
Turn:
* * 2♣
* * Hero checks
* * CO bets [$1.45]
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$1.45]
* * Potsize: $4.85
River:
* * 3♥
* * Hero checks
* * CO bets [$3.50]
* * Hero calls [$3.50]
Results:
* * CO shows :
* * Q♥ 10♠
* * Hero shows :
* * 7♠ 7♦ Hero wins the pot ($11.30) with a pair of Sevens

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c9h13no3

c9h13no3

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You didn't raise from the cutoff... you were in the big blind.

And no, there's not much math involved here. This play should be based on 2 things:

1) Reads. How aggro/bluffy is villain?
2) Pot odds. How often does your hand have to be good?

His bets weren't all that big, and if you had a decent read, then I don't mind calling down for 2 streets when they're both bricks.

Well played. The only other way I can see to play it is leading the flop, if you think he's likely to hold a flush draw. Some players like to raise stuff like suited kings/aces a lot. But I think the standard way to play it would be like this.
 
TheNoob

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You didn't raise from the cutoff... you were in the big blind.

And no, there's not much math involved here. This play should be based on 2 things:

1) Reads. How aggro/bluffy is villain?
2) Pot odds. How often does your hand have to be good?

His bets weren't all that big, and if you had a decent read, then I don't mind calling down for 2 streets when they're both bricks.

Well played. The only other way I can see to play it is leading the flop, if you think he's likely to hold a flush draw. Some players like to raise stuff like suited kings/aces a lot. But I think the standard way to play it would be like this.


Oops .... posted too early this morning.

Thanks for the tips.

If you have a minute and are so inclined, from the standpoint only of using the pot odds to help me make a decision, could you advise exactly how to calculate that? Is it simple enough to ask you to do this?

For example, I would say to myself (after the turn) the pot size is $1.95 and it's $1.45 for me to call. That's 1.95:1.45 or 1.3:1. 29%.

So with 7's and using those pot odds, how would I factor that into making the decision to call?

I realize I may be asking for too much here and this is something I have to learn on my own without haranguing you guys. Help if you can.
 
c9h13no3

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For example, I would say to myself (after the turn) the pot size is $1.95 and it's $1.45 for me to call. That's 1.95:1.45 or 1.3:1. 29%.
(1.95+1.45)/1.45 = 2.3:1 = 30% If his bet was smaller, you'd have to be good less often.

Add that to the reads you have, and just make a decision.
 
TheNoob

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(1.95+1.45)/1.45 = 2.3:1 = 30% If his bet was smaller, you'd have to be good less often.

Add that to the reads you have, and just make a decision.

Thanks c9. I appreciate the help.
 
TheNoob

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I found this somewhere in the interweb to explain pot odds:

The pot is $30, and the cost of the call is $10. The pot odds in this situation are 30:10, or 3:1 when reduced. To get the percentage, we add 3 plus 1 get a sum of 4. Now we divide 1 by 4, giving us 0.25, or 25 percent.

This made sense to me.

So with my example it would be:

The pot is $1.95, and the cost of the call is $1.45. The pot odds in this situation are 1.95:1.45, or 1.35:1 when reduced. To get the percentage, we add 1.35 plus 1 get a sum of 2.35. Now we divide 1 by 2.35, giving us 0.42, or 42 percent.

Where the heck is my error here?

Part of my problem here if I can't do simple math and understand simple pot odds. :confused:


ETA: I'm going to post this in the noob section. Just ignore.
 
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