$10 NLHE 6-max: Bottom 2 on flop... how do we play this?

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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
BB ($10) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 16.1% | AGG: 47.8% | 3-Bet: 6.8% | Hands: 611]
UTG ($9.02) [VPIP: 61.4% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 28.6% | 3-Bet: 0% | hands: 47]
HJ ($11.63) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 15.3% | AGG: 53.8% | 3-Bet: 15% | Hands: 59]
HERO ($10.4) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 25.6% | AGG: 39.6% | 3-Bet: 6.1% | Hands: 2423]
BTN ($10) [VPIP: 27.1% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 51.5% | 3-Bet: 11.8% | Hands: 195]
SB ($10.51) [VPIP: 33.1% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | Hands: 150]

Dealt to Hero: K T

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.35, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [12.87 effective]
Flop ($0.75): A T K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.47 (Rem. Stack: 9.58), BB Calls $0.47 (Rem. Stack: 9.18)

Turn ($1.69): A T K 7
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.80 (Rem. Stack: 8.78), BB Calls $0.80 (Rem. Stack: 8.38)

River ($3.29): A T K 7 9
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.56 (Rem. Stack: 7.22), BB Calls $1.56 (Rem. Stack: 6.82)

BB shows: A T

BB wins: $6.06
 
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On the turn he can still call with a bunch of pair + draw type hands, but on the river these are just a weak pair, and a regular will most likely fold them to the third barrel. So if you break down his range, what are you actually getting value from on the river? AQ and AJ, that did not 3-bet?

Its a bit thin, so I probably lean towards checking back. Another option is a very small bet to entice him to call with his KQ, KJ or Ah5h, but that gives us headache, if he check-raise. I would not classify this as a mistake, and it is a little surpricing, that he played AT this passive. However it lends credence to the point, that against this kind of player you might want to have something just a little bit stronger to go for 3 streets of value.
 
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I'd bet a little bit bigger on the flop like 0.54 or something.. then alooot bigger on turn, you didn't even bet half pot.. go like 1.20 for value so now de pot would be around $4.30 on river.. since he called twice you can decise to just check now.. there are not many hands that called twice on that board and call a bet on river and you beat..
 
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I would probably play like you, if I face a recreational player. But in front of a player with these characteristics and considering the stake (nl10), maybe multiple barrels are not the best option.
On turn a solid villain can intuit many draws, keep in mind that the board structure does not favor your rank.
Basically you will be paid mostly Ax combinations. So you stay in a difficult environment for the barrels.
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AK, AT, QJ are 24c (we lose), AQ, AJ are also 24c (we win). These are some hands that would call a raise pre and check-call the flop. (we could throw in A2-A5 of hearts to put us a bit ahead)

This guy is a reg who we've played before... this type of play is common for him. I've seen him call me down a little light before so I thought I'd squeeze some value out of this spot.

But you're right- by the river we are seldom ahead. I like Gohaku94's comment-bet bigger on the flop, turn... check behind on river.
 
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At the end of the day this hand is a bit of a cooler. AK, AA and KK will almost always 3-bet pre, and I would expect QJ to check-raise flop or turn at least some of the time. So realistically on the river we lose to some better two pair, and we beat everything else in his range.
 
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I don't like big preflop raises. Otherwise I like your line. But I have the question: why did you bet 62%+ on the flop and 48%- on the blanky river? ))
 
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I'd bet a little bit bigger on the flop like 0.54 or something.. then alooot bigger on turn, you didn't even bet half pot.. go like 1.20 for value so now de pot would be around $4.30 on river.. since he called twice you can decise to just check now.. there are not many hands that called twice on that board and call a bet on river and you beat..

Betting more on the flop makes you lose more in general. The board is very straight-y and the opponent could easily have a set or better two pair. Bet the flop, blocker bet the turn, and check the river.
 
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Nh... river is a value bet at this level, but I'd lean towards a slightly smaller size.
 
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The only thing I would have done differently is check the river. On that board, getting 2 good streets of value would have been fine, and you would lose less vs better hands.
 
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I would of played it the same way.
 
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If you are reasonably aggressive and not just value-betting he almost has to defend pretty wide in a HU-pot with his draws and pairs.

It is a pretty scary board for him after your raise from any other position than the button.

So either two little bigger or normal bets (on the flop and turn mostly) or three small bets.

A check call on the river if you choose to not bet the flop or the turn.

The "problem" can be if you bet both the flop and the turn and check the river and he bets big (or even bet at all). Or if you bet small on the river and he raises. Then you probably should fold most of the time even hu.

On this board against most players I look for 2 streets of betting (or calling) often in 6-max game.
 
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