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My casino of choice in canada is Caesar's Windsor. They know how to do it right.

This might be relevant to my story, my personality does not make me a stronger live player. I shut down to blank eyed idiot guy who never speaks other than to commend an opponent or thank a dealer....except in this case. I spared a few calculated words after the hand was played....what ensued was hilarious.


Anyway, on to my story....sat down at a 1/3 table with the max buy in of 300. I played three hands in the first hour, taking down two of them which put me up by 455. I was dealt pocket 7's on the button. By the time it got to me it was going to cost me 12 to play into a pot of 40. I gave it quite a bit of thought because I struggle with capitalizing on middle pairs. I chose to call. The flop fell A K 9 rainbow. Opponent in seat six, checks....seat number eight tried to appear to tentative and bet 36. When the flop fell, he had immediately stared at his chip stack for a good ten seconds. I figured he must have hit it hard. Seat number nine folds. Action is on me with a dreaded middle pocket pair. I really don't know if what I chose to do was a Donk call or if it was just the right time to trust my gut. Statistically, totally donk, but on goes the story. I called his 36 and seat number six folds. Seat eight is practically drooling at this point. His behaviour was so telling that I began to question, is this guy for real? Is he actually "hollywooding" and holding nothing? Maybe chasing his losses incurred over the past hour? I was really lost for a moment. Fortunately, the unsure moment was short lived. The turn fell....you guessed it, a 7. My remaining opponent splashed the pot with a bet of 65, grinning until the dealer gave him a warning after having to recount the pot, it was the dealer's choice to do so. The dealer's decision noticeably bothered my opponent. He was now emotionally charged. I flat called his bet. At that point, he laughed out loud and actually pointed at me and tried to engage conversation. Not my style. Dead eyed idiot mode still on...lol. River falls, a 3....only two cards being suited in the community so obviously no straight or flush possibilities. He took about three nanoseconds before he pushed in his stack of 260. He was actually standing up and talking to other people at the table at this point, I couldn't believe it. I had him on either AK or nothing. I just knew he wasn't holding trip Aces. Was he just chasing losses possibly, he had re-bought three times in the hour for 300 a pop so he was hurtin. I didn't delay calling, he was already charged up enough. I thought to myself, if I slow roll this, his head will explode. He flipped his cards...AK, threw his chest out and turned his back to the table! Like he was king of the room or something. Wow! I meekly flipped my cards while his back was turned and leaned back and sighed. There was an audible gasp at the table, I was surprised. Not that big of a pot or anything. My opponent then turned, looked down at my the pot first, smiled and looked at me. Me....dead eyed idiot...lol. He looked down and finally realized what had just happened. He was already standing so a leap across the table was a definite possibility as he was now down over a grand at a 1/3 table, rough! He screamed at me what the F are you doing, you knew I had at least an Ace! I did not respond. He screams, how can you do that? No response, dealer warning....room director becoming aware. He then started walking around the table towards me taking off his coat. I remained leaned back in my seat. I have been hit plenty of times, really don't care. Dealer yelled for director who was pretty much already there as far as I could tell because he stopped my opponent before he got to me. The director was obviously a professional. He was obviously able to diffuse situations like this very well without any form of physical contact. However, my opponent crossed a line. He actually slammed his hands against the director's chest in an effort to get to me. He couldn't move the director. Security was there by this point and he was eventually removed. But like I said at the beginning of this loooonnggg story, I chose to speak this time. When my opponent last caught my gaze, I said Y'all come back now, ya hear, a la Beverly Hillbillies. Unfortunately, I guess, the security was now forced to get aggressive with him because my harmless comment somehow set him off??? Didn't expect that...lol.
I know this is a long story and maybe mildly amusing or interesting but what I learned from this hand was that people WILL lose their sense of right and wrong over a measly five or six hundred dollar pot. That's very saddening to me. I also learned to occasionally trust my gut....it's fun!
 
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Was a decent story thank you for the post. My question is what action , or words could have been stated to mitigate the situation ? A speech while is back is turned before you table your hand ? In this situation how do I get Mr. Top Two to re load and play ? Any ideas?
 
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Thank you, good question.

Was a decent story thank you for the post. My question is what action , or words could have been stated to mitigate the situation ? A speech while is back is turned before you table your hand ? In this situation how do I get Mr. Top Two to re load and play ? Any ideas?



I can only speculate. My gut says that it was poorly managed dependence (narcotic, and on the sport itself) and extremely poor bankroll management, if he had one. Also, throughout the hour leading up to the incident he had expressed no concern each time he busted, that another three hundred is "like five minutes work for him". I think said narcotic dependence and his form of income went hand in hand. I believe when he lost the hand to me it actually cut into what he had "earned" that day. It's a hit to the ego when you can't even make money selling coke or whatever, I surmise.
That loss may have left him owing someone for product, I once again surmise of course. I only hazard this guess because like I mentioned, another 300 was nothing to him.
I could be totally wrong but a successful distributor should have no use for a 1/3 table in the first place.
To address your other question directly, I don't anything could have convince him to re load again given where I suspect the loss left him standing with his ego and his associates.

Great question, it was a messed up scene but it was the first and only somewhat unpleasant experience in all my stays at said casino. It was actually more interesting than unpleasant! They monitor their patrons extremely well for intoxication and absolutely will remove you from the premises if suspected be under the influence of anything that will inhibit your ability to make wise decisions with your funds.
I can't stress enough how well this casino group is managed. Always a seamlessly enjoyable getaway.

Take it easy and be kind to yourselves,

Lebowski
 
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Thanks for response Lebowski. At the casino I play at, I have seen this scenario play out . Was just Wondering if anyone had any insight on how to get the fish to re-load in this spot.
 
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I loved the story, but a $600 pot doesn't fit in my definition of "measly", and you definitely owed him another showdown in the parking lot after the Beverly Hillbillies comment.
 
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I feel like anything you had said there would have pissed him off at that point. Guy was clearly tilting out of his mind. He thought he finally would win a decent pot and felt invincible with his two pairs of AK. Then he was dragged back down to Earth. Ouch.
 
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He was obviously in the wrong with his behavior, but you were also in the wrong pouring salt into his wound. Your guesses about his state of sobriety and vocation voiced in a public forum like this, indicate to me that you took delight in his misfortune...he may have spent his rent money...that's not something to laugh about.

As for trusting your gut, you just got lucky. Don't be so proud of an iffy decision that ended up in a windfall for you.
 
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I feel like anything you had said there would have pissed him off at that point. Guy was clearly tilting out of his mind. He thought he finally would win a decent pot and felt invincible with his two pairs of AK. Then he was dragged back down to Earth. Ouch.

You are absolutely right, he was on hyper tilt.
 
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He was obviously in the wrong with his behavior, but you were also in the wrong pouring salt into his wound. Your guesses about his state of sobriety and vocation voiced in a public forum like this, indicate to me that you took delight in his misfortune...he may have spent his rent money...that's not something to laugh about.

As for trusting your gut, you just got lucky. Don't be so proud of an iffy decision that ended up in a windfall for you.

Did I say I was proud? I shared an experience. That's it. And if someone is willing to put their rent money on the table, that is their mistake. Not my choice or concern. When you sit down at a poker table it is an agreement to go to war. I take no prisoners and I target those who are on tilt and/or not in a clear state of mind. I do not take delight in anyone's misfortune. I am emotionless and sober when I go to war. I am disciplined, it's not my problem if my oponnents lack discipline and good reasoning.
 
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